Global warming?

[tanishwallen]

what can happin years from now b cuz of global warming?

[beelzebub]

what can happin years from now b cuz of global warming?

We B gettin hot.

[LedZap]

.........lol

[buttless_wonder]

People in England will start growing grapes like they did during the 15th century. You see this warming is cyclical.

[hitekredneck]

fuck...global warming will only be stopped when we commit genocide on lawyers and politicians

[yee-haw]

fuck...global warming will only be stopped when we commit genocide on lawyers and politicians

Espescially the politicians.

[Piggy Poo]

fuck...global warming will only be stopped when we commit genocide on lawyers and politicians

When can we get started?

[hitekredneck]

Espescially the politicians.

who do you think grows up to be politicians, mang???


When can we get started?
we could only wish....too bad scientists can't come up with a germ that only hits them...lol

[bullfighter]

fuck...global warming will only be stopped when we commit genocide on lawyers and politicians

guess who,yes back after 28 days on the gas scam the people program.15gs in me pockett.but shows up at the gas pump..you ever felt fleesed.guess what, fuck is the gouvernment shaving you berries..i would say balls but as i see they shrunk..i think it is in the food, shrink the balls program. so no one does any thing but fuck and be fucked..by the way glad to see you all can see something is up ,and its not your dick....

[LedZap]

LOL...nice to see you too BFer.

[eyeonyou]

fuck...global warming will only be stopped when we commit genocide on lawyers and politicians

Oh damn I like that, except for the killing part. But a damned fine idea none the less.

[Patt]

Better add a slew of Wall Street Hedge Fund Bankers just to be safe. Just a couple, so the rest know they're on shaky ground. No need to mess up the streets twice, ya know.

[Frankz]

Global warming? Last time it was cooling and next time it will be all about the cooling again. History shows that this earth finds ways to regulate the temperatures.
Since during modern man the temps have gone up, will this earth eliminate man so it can cool back down again?

[Rec]

Global warming? Last time it was cooling and next time it will be all about the cooling again. History shows that this earth finds ways to regulate the temperatures.
Since during modern man the temps have gone up, will this earth eliminate man so it can cool back down again?



Who in the fluffing world really knows, why noone, of course, just another way to make more laws, money, prestige and general bullshitt!! lol

[beelzebub]

Who in the fluffing world really knows, why noone, of course, just another way to make more laws, money, prestige and general bullshitt!! lol

Global warming is a fact. We need to stop the earths warming or our children's future could be dead.

Its obvious that we have been polluting our atmosphere FAR too long with combustion engines. We have to STOP we have no choice.

If the Oceans conveyer belt shuts down due to the warming of the Earth we are dead. (http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/causes05.jsp)

Ocean Currents and Climate (http://www.aip.org/history/climate/oceans.htm)

Global Warming Could Halt Ocean Circulation, With Harmful Results (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051207180807.htm)

[Patt]

By using the term "could be", it means it could be wrong too.


The atmospheric circulation (winds) and ocean currents carry heat from the tropics toward the poles. Many processes can alter these circulation patterns, changing the climate regionally or even over the whole world.

Something all the little green meanies have to consider when they make such declarative statements, but they never seem to.

[beelzebub]

By using the term "could be", it means it could be wrong too.
something all the little green meanies have to consider when they make such declarative statements, but they never seem to.

Look,.. if the polar cooling system shouts down the oceanic conveyer belt system shuts down. The polar system will shut down when the planet heats up.

That is a fact and it means catastrophe for the seas and for the land. As they seas die from the lack of the currents and the upwellings they supply to all marine life they will release a toxic plume of decay that will smother all the land.

Our icecaps are melting faster than they can be replenished. This is something that people need to think about instead of dismissing the FACTS by calling names like "Green Meanies". You keep spinning your hype and send our civilization straight to destruction.

[hitekredneck]

Global warming is a fact. We need to stop the earths warming or our children's future could be dead.

Its obvious that we have been polluting our atmosphere FAR too long with combustion engines. We have to STOP we have no choice.

If the Oceans conveyer belt shuts down due to the warming of the Earth we are dead. (http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/causes05.jsp)

Ocean Currents and Climate (http://www.aip.org/history/climate/oceans.htm)

Global Warming Could Halt Ocean Circulation, With Harmful Results (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051207180807.htm)

ok bub....first it was global cooling....remember the big ice age scare of the late 70's?....as for shutting down combustion engines completely, that's a total fuckin pipe dream....what do you suggest, horse n buggy time again?

[Phoenix]

I got an idea! Let's inject SPF-9000 sunblock into the atmosphere and trigger an ice age! That'll stop Global Warming!

Or, we could STFU and quit trying to boss the earth around. If it wants us gone, it'll get rid of us and fix itself, it doesn't need our pompous asses trying to tell it when it can and cannot get hot.

As far as Carbon Dioxide goes, methane is a greenhouse gas as well, and if we weren't burning fossil fuels and filling our atmosphere with CO2, we'd be breeding horses for transportation and filling our atmosphere with CH4 like we were BEFORE the Industrial revolution. Methane has (at LEAST) 25 times more impact than CO2. You know what else puts out methane? Hunams.

Let's face it, the root of global warming isn't cars, it's the fact that we're shoving 1.3 billion people into China, 1.15 billion people in India, and 4.25 billion people in various other places, usually urban centers. If you want to curb global warming, put the damn space program in overdrive and drop the population down to around 1 billion where it belongs. Make everyone else move to other planets. Terraform a bit if you need to, just get the shit done.

So unless you want to redirect all the world's funding to space exploration, or are prepared to join the VHEM, I suggest shutting up and letting nature kick our asses and fix the problem itself. 99% of all species that have ever lived on the face of the earth are now extinct, what special powers does humanity think it has?

[LedZap]

I've been buying up all the old light bulbs every time I hit Home Depot.
They do carry a light bulb that's made in the USA which is Sylvania, most
are made in Mexico or China! I absolutely hate those new expensive light
bulbs with the mercury in them! I think it's next year all you will be
able to buy are those expensive bulbs - so you should start stocking up if
you like the old ones. I also hate being charged at the grocery store for
their bags!


Subject: Global Warming----Climate Change




Ian Rutherford Plimer (born 12 February 1946) is an Australian geologist,
academic and businessman, and professor of mining geology at the
University of Adelaide . You will appreciate his take on climate change
(aka: global warming).

Professor Ian Plimer could not have said it better! If you've read his
book
you will agree, this is a good summary.


Are you sitting down?

Okay, here's the bombshell.

The volcanic eruption in Iceland , since its
first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE
EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on
our planet - all of you.

Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to
suppress - it's that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to
live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans, and all animal
life.

I know, it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission
savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and
expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up
till
midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project,
throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares
of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your
SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting
hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs
with
$10.00 light bulbs . . . well, all of those things you have done have all
gone down the tubes in just four days.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes
- FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland , has totally erased every
single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there
are around 200
active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY
DAY.

I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention
that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it
spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human
race had emitted in its entire YEARS on earth. Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was
active for over one year - think about it.

Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment and
mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized
800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keep happening, despite
our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact
of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and
Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our
world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon
tax on you on the basis of the bogus "human-caused" climate change scenario..

Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention "Global Warming" any more,
but just "Climate Change" - you know why? It's because the planet has
COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull
artists got caught with their pants down.

And just keep in mind that you might yet have
an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you,
that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won't
stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.

But hey, relax, give the world a hug and have a nice day!

PS: I wonder if Iceland is buying carbon offsets?

[eyeonyou]

Here's the Wiki on the bulbs.


Federal legislation
In December 2007, many of these state efforts became moot when the federal government enacted the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Independence_and_Security_Act_of_2007), which requires all general-purpose light bulbs that produce 310–2600 lumens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_(unit)) of light[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs#cite_note-TLG1-29) be 30% more energy efficient (similar to current halogen lamps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halogen_lamp)) than current incandescent bulbs by 2012 to 2014. The efficiency standards will start with 100-watt bulbs in January 2012 and end with 40-watt bulbs in January 2014.
Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-way_lamp), colored lamps, and plant lights.
By 2020, a second tier of restrictions would become effective, which requires all general-purpose bulbs to produce at least 45 lumens per watt (similar to current CFLs). Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs.

Glad to know the three way is exempt. http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/images/smilies/lightbulbsmilie.gif (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/posting.php?mode=smilies&f=0&start=100#) I didn't know that.

[Phoenix]

This is my main inspiration on the matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c&feature=related

[Patt]

Here's the Wiki on the bulbs.



Glad to know the three way is exempt. http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/images/smilies/lightbulbsmilie.gif (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/posting.php?mode=smilies&f=0&start=100#) I didn't know that.

Traced your link down, wouldn't you know it --- that sonofabitch, Harry Reid.

S.1419
Latest Title: Renewable Fuels, Consumer Protection, and Energy Efficiency Act of 2007
Sponsor: Sen Reid, Harry (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD003+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Reid++Har ry%29%29+00952%29%29) [NV] (introduced 5/17/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.R.6 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00006:), H.R.2556 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR02556:), H.R.2950 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR02950:), H.R.3238 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR03238:), S.1321 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN01321:)
Latest Major Action: 5/17/2007 Introduced in the Senate. Read twice. Ordered Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 156.
Note: This bill as introduced was identical to S.Amdt. 1502 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:S.AMDT.1502:), a subsequent Senate substitute amendment to H.R. 6 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:H.R.6:). Omnibus energy legislation was enacted in H.R.6 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:H.R.6:), which became Public Law 110-140 on 12/19/2007.

Now, seriously take a look at this crap: H.R.2950 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./temp/%7Ec110DLnr5R:e100943:)This is where the 'standards' are set for what can and cannot be manufactured in the US regarding lighting. It's a prime example of how government wants to dictate the smallest thing because they believe they are the smartest, most worthy, intellectually superior beings on this planet. Now, I ask you, who the hell said that Heather Wilson, knew more about light bulbs than any other living human being?

H.R.2950
Latest Title: Renewable Fuels, Consumer Protection, and Energy Efficiency Act of 2007
Sponsor: Rep Wilson, Heather (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD003+@4%28%28@1%28Rep+Wilson++H eather%29%29+01539%29%29) [NM-1] (introduced 6/28/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: S.1419 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN01419:)
Latest Major Action: 4/25/2008 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Conservation, Credit, Energy, and Research.

[eyeonyou]

Interestingly enough, Rahall-D-WV was the original sponsor in the House and he voted against it before it was passed and sent to the Senate to be combined with S-1419.

Ug, politics, run.

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/images/smilies/dogrunsmilie.gif

[Patt]

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/images/smilies/dogrunsmilie.gif

Haven't seen your 'dog' in ages. ROFLMAO

[beelzebub]

ok bub....first it was global cooling....remember the big ice age scare of the late 70's?....as for shutting down combustion engines completely, that's a total fuckin pipe dream....what do you suggest, horse n buggy time again?

No problem HiTeck,.. but answer me this:

Is the amount of carbon we generate into the atmosphere normal?

[Patt]

"Normal"? Normal in relation to what exactly? You're speaking of 'normal' as if man made creations somehow exist naturally in mother nature. You've already seen that a volcano can spew more CO2 than we could create ourselves, so your premise, at least to me, is a bit whacky. OR ----------- maybe you need to define exactly what you're trying to imply.

[beelzebub]

"Normal"? Normal in relation to what exactly? You're speaking of 'normal' as if man made creations somehow exist naturally in mother nature. You've already seen that a volcano can spew more CO2 than we could create ourselves, so your premise, at least to me, is a bit whacky. OR ----------- maybe you need to define exactly what you're trying to imply.

I dont believe that volcano is spewing CO2 enough to negate our efforts in the last 5 years and what CO2 it is producing is contributing to our EXISTING output and plummeting us into deeper & more serious trouble. The argument: "Carbon dioxide is some little innocent gas deeply misunderstood by the big bad scientists" is nothing but STUPID propaganda espoused buy those who benifit from the sales of petroleum.... you know the "RICH",... the "ELEITE",... the people that fund the Republican party. They pay for that spin, skewing facts to propagate their policy to the uneducated in America to the financial benefit of their RICH supporters. Its a total CROCK of SHIT. Gas powered engines and coal fire plants (fossil fuels) produce more toxins than any a necular power plant and they put that shit directly into the atmosphere. We burn fossil fuels and its MUCH MUCH MORE than CO2 going in the atmosphere its a whiole host of toxic noxious gasses that contribute to global warming. Yall need to get off the singular focus of CO2. We need to stop burning & polluting our atmosphere NOW. If yall don't see that then I fear you cannot reason at all.

You Patt,.. I would think you would be singing the praises of ANY effort to rid our dependence on foreign oil. Instead,.. "oh lets debate it",.. WHY ? Just read above as to what I think of your advocacy of burning fossil fuels..

[MrJim]

I've been buying up all the old light bulbs every time I hit Home Depot. They do carry a light bulb that's made in the USA which is Sylvania, most
are made in Mexico or China! I absolutely hate those new expensive light
bulbs with the mercury in them! I think it's next year all you will be
able to buy are those expensive bulbs - so you should start stocking up if
you like the old ones. I also hate being charged at the grocery store for
their bags!

The expensive new florescent bulbs are likely a better value. I put them in every fixture I could find back in 2006 and almost all of them are still working. Factor in the added electricity costs with replacing bulbs all the time and the old bulbs are probably the about the same cost and less convenient.

[MrJim]

As far as Carbon Dioxide goes, methane is a greenhouse gas as well, and if we weren't burning fossil fuels and filling our atmosphere with CO2, we'd be breeding horses for transportation and filling our atmosphere with CH4 like we were BEFORE the Industrial revolution. Methane has (at LEAST) 25 times more impact than CO2. You know what else puts out methane? Hunams.

Pretty clever spin on this, actually.

[beelzebub]

Pretty clever spin on this, actually.

How's the weather Mr Jim? Nice and HOT and DRY?

Better get used to it.

[LedZap]

Yeah , the sun tends to do that.

[bullfighter]

yes all is explained or just bull shit. i see the different systems happen as i am a private pilot and spend a little time noticing. i see things wierd wither it be a COMMON CICLE or man manipulated ....its happening.and they are preparing you for the economy breaking down,then they will save you when you do what they say..dance little childern dance for the piper will play and lead you all away..dont worry about the death toll you have bull shit to make a merry stroll .

[beelzebub]

Yeah , the sun tends to do that.

So does changing climate.

[Limbo]

Holy fucking cow, enough is enough already.

If you ever needed proof that liberalism is a mental disorder, read this:

UN security council to consider climate change peacekeeping (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/20/un-climate-change-peacekeeping)

It's like children afraid of a boogieman in the closet. How friggen absurd can you get.

The truth, the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere over the last 30 years is .004%, and keep in mind that CO2 is an extrodinarily weak greenhouse gas that becomes quickly saturated (can only absorb a limited amount of energy regardless of how much CO2 is in the air).

The only way these politicized clowns in climate science can make the claims they do about the earth warming so radically due to man-made CO2 is by claiming this puny little increase will set off a domino effect with stronger greenhouse gases, especially water vapor.

Those who are pushing this garbage about global warming will be poster boys for everything that was wrong with our society at this epoch once the truth becomes obvious to everyone, which will hopefully be one day soon. It's all about politics... revenge from the hard left for losing the cold war. Utter nonsense.

[hitekredneck]

So does changing climate.

yeah yeah...the changing climate was also responsible for the ice age scare of the seventies...while our polluting has contributed, all that has done is speed up the natural cycle of our planet....

[beelzebub]

yeah yeah...the changing climate was also responsible for the ice age scare of the seventies...while our polluting has contributed, all that has done is speed up the natural cycle of our planet....


Well all you have to do is see the EVIDENCE:

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/zFacts-CO2-Temp.gif

http://thulegreenlandsite.com/icecap_melt.gif

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/attachement/jpg/site1/20091203/0013729e45180c81a94d0f.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1066631611388_2003/10/24/icecap24.jpg
The part of the Arctic Ocean that remains frozen all year round shrank at a rate of 10 per cent per decade since 1980, NASA researcher Josefino Comiso said.
Researchers at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are worried because global warming speeds up as the ice cap melts, forming a vicious cycle.
"Snow and sea-ice are highly reflective because they are white," Comiso said.
"Most of the sun's energy is simply reflected back to space. With retraction of the ice cover, that means that less of surface is covered by this highly reflective snow and sea-ice, and so more energy has been absorbed and the climate warms."
US and Canadian scientists reported in September that the largest ice shelf in the Arctic off Canada's coast has broken up due to climate change and could endanger shipping and drilling platforms in the Beaufort Sea



But please,.. don't let me educate you,.... you feel free to remain ignorant for as long as you like.

[Limbo]

Well all you have to do is see the EVIDENCE:

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/zFacts-CO2-Temp.gif

see --> Correlation does not imply causation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation#Examples_of_i llogically_inferring_causation_from_correlation)

Example:

Large numbers of firefighters are found at big house fires.
Therefore, firefighters cause big house fires.



http://thulegreenlandsite.com/icecap_melt.gif



Weather and climate have always been changing and are never static.

Ancient Greenland was actually green!
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19619301/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/ancient-greenland-was-actually-green/)

Greenland was warmer when the vikings arrived around 900 AD than it is today, and in fact, Greenland has had a recent cooling trend.

From here: Global Warming and the Greenland Ice Sheet
(http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/clim/2004/00000063/F0020001/05140445)


The Greenland coastal temperatures have followed the early 20th century global warming trend. Since 1940, however, the Greenland coastal stations data have undergone predominantly a cooling trend. At the summit of the Greenland ice sheet the summer average temperature has decreased at the rate of 2.2 °C per decade since the beginning of the measurements in 1987...

A considerable and rapid warming over all of coastal Greenland occurred in the 1920s when the average annual surface air temperature rose between 2 and 4 °C in less than ten years (at some stations the increase in winter temperature was as high as 6 °C). This rapid warming, at a time when the change in anthropogenic production of greenhouse gases was well below the current level, suggests a high natural variability in the regional climate

So while Greenland has been getting colder, the amount of ice has been decreasing. This is believed to be caused by the fact that the air masses over Greenland have been drier, leading to increased sublimation. Hardly "evidence" of global warming.

[beelzebub]

see --> Example:
Large numbers of firefighters are found at big house fires.
Therefore, firefighters cause big house fires.

You example is flawed logic. This is because your example has a disconnected between cause and effect. In my example the two are NOT disconnected and there is a EVIDENCE that demonstrates CAUSE & EFFECT, it is well documented that CO2 causes the atmosphere to heat up as it ABSORBS solar radiation and emits infrared radiation.

In my opinion you have fallen into that Republican spin on global warming. Limbo, don t you understand that they do this because the big oil companies PAY for them to do it????

[Phoenix]

Look, Global Warming is a perfectly normal thing. It's happenned in the past, and it will continue to happen in the future. The earth warms, the earth cools, and a fucking volcano eruption puts out more CO2 than we've cut in the last 8 years. There's perfectly good reasons to change to other forms of energy (price, sustainability, the fact that geothermal energy doesn't turn major cities into giant clouds of smog, so we aren't beholden to crazy people in the middle east, etc.) but Global Warming is simply not one of them.

[Carrot]

What I find fascinating is how people insist in being firmly in one camp or the other.

The earth undergoes warming and cooling cycles.
the amount of C02 and methane is a contributing factor.
we have increased the amount of greenhouse that the earth would otherwise be subjected to.
the direct impact of our releases is debateable.
howver, c0z and methane etc are known to be green house gases.
the globe is suffereing the effects, not only in local areas like greenland, unless by "local" areas include both poles on opposite sides of the globe....
The media did overhype the issue.
we need to decrease our dependence on oil anyway, beneficial for all, less foriegn dependance, renewable.
even without global warming, pollution is an issue. As is overfishing, overpopulation etc
and so on and so forth.

oh, and buying a prius doesn't help, its better for everyone if u stick to your old car.

[Rec]

What I find fascinating is how people insist in being firmly in one camp or the other.

The earth undergoes warming and cooling cycles.
the amount of C02 and methane is a contributing factor.
we have increased the amount of greenhouse that the earth would otherwise be subjected to.
the direct impact of our releases is debateable.
howver, c0z and methane etc are known to be green house gases.
the globe is suffereing the effects, not only in local areas like greenland, unless by "local" areas include both poles on opposite sides of the globe....
The media did overhype the issue.
we need to decrease our dependence on oil anyway, beneficial for all, less foriegn dependance, renewable.
even without global warming, pollution is an issue. As is overfishing, overpopulation etc
and so on and so forth.

oh, and buying a prius doesn't help, its better for everyone if u stick to your old car.



Good post especially the first sentence! What happened to thinking for oneself????????????????

[Limbo]

I agree Carrot for the most part. I do think however the onus is on those who are demanding we spend trillions of dollars fighting man-made global warming to prove it is a real problem and that the proposed solutions will actually help. IMO they have done neither. So far it has just been a cash and power grab by governments and big industry (and slimeballs like Al Gore), and a reason for developing countries to demand "reparations" from developed countries.

Of course it is true that CO2 absorbs energy. I can't remember the exact numbers, but the theoretical warming from increased CO2 itself is insignificant, less than .1 degrees celcius. The models that predict warming of 2 to 5 degrees celcius or more do so on the basis that the tiny increase from CO2 will create more water vapor, and water vapor will do the bulk of the warming. This is pure speculation without any emperical evidence to back it up (aka junk science). For one thing, while water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas, the cloud cover it creates reflects energy back out into space, and therefore has a cooling effect.

[bullfighter]

do dodo do do do dodo doooo o what proof we need please o creator give lots of validation,please let the winds blow and the snow howl.let the sun bake and the earth shake ..give us the truth that keeps us dear .make the storm in victory, to cheer

[beelzebub]

What I find fascinating is how people insist in being firmly in one camp or the other.

The earth undergoes warming and cooling cycles.
the amount of C02 and methane is a contributing factor.
we have increased the amount of greenhouse that the earth would otherwise be subjected to.
the direct impact of our releases is debateable.
howver, c0z and methane etc are known to be green house gases.
the globe is suffereing the effects, not only in local areas like greenland, unless by "local" areas include both poles on opposite sides of the globe....
The media did overhype the issue.
we need to decrease our dependence on oil anyway, beneficial for all, less foriegn dependance, renewable.
even without global warming, pollution is an issue. As is overfishing, overpopulation etc
and so on and so forth.

oh, and buying a prius doesn't help, its better for everyone if u stick to your old car.

I agree with most and I add that it is a well known fact that we are contributing to the warming.

[Frankyh]

The expensive new florescent bulbs are likely a better value.

[Frankz]

The expensive new florescent bulbs are likely a better value.

Ok spammer, you give Frankz a bad name. Cleanup on aisle 4.

[RobertDavis]

I am not thinking after 28 years. Right now I am thinking is this Global warming is due to a nature changes or sun causes more hot. I don't think this is true. The main reason for Global warming is we people..The more pollution is producing in a world and population reach to it's optimum point. The pollution is continuously decreasing the Ozon layer and that is why the Earth become more and more hot. The only solution on this is we need to find the alternative solutions to stop pollution which is the root of Global warming.

[eyeonyou]

The earth gets hot, the earth gets cold......Over and over again throughout history. First humans made it colder, now warmer. I wish those fucking humans would make up their minds....Damn.

[Faulty Circuit]

Global warming is a natural occurrence, one volcano releases more bad effects than all of mankind's pollution since he dragged himself out of the tar pit. This is all about making money for the worlds elite or better known as Rothschild, and of course that big bulging ass Al Gore who by some struck of shear luck just happen to have owner shares in carbon trading companies. This bastard should be slapped on his forehead continuously with a teaspoon until he falls over dead.


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[Agent Provocateur]

Global warming is a natural occurrence, one volcano releases more bad effects than all of mankind's pollution since he dragged himself out of the tar pit. This is all about making money for the worlds elite or better known as Rothschild, and of course that big bulging ass Al Gore who by some struck of shear luck just happen to have owner shares in carbon trading companies. This bastard should be slapped on his forehead continuously with a teaspoon until he falls over dead.



Global warming is the greatest scam of our time....But blaming Rothchild and Gore is rediculous....The scam goes much deeper then just them.........

[beelzebub]

Global warming is the greatest scam of our time....But blaming Rothchild and Gore is rediculous....The scam goes much deeper then just them.........
According to your flawed logic,.. and we are burning fossil fuels at a rate congruent to that of the dinosaurs? More or less? How much oil did the dinosaurs burn every day? How many greenhouse molecules did they produce than we did?

[Faulty Circuit]

I'm too lazy to go back and find the sources but Rothschild is the one financing green initiatives in the UN, recent failure of an attempt to pass a treaty has put him and the recipients on ice for a while. I know the richest countries were targeted to make monstrous payments to these thieves under the guise of a treaty. Until the past few years no one heard anything about these people, a lot of under cover work has been done to uncover those that are really up to no good. If I find that document I'll post it, it gives a much more and comprehensive look into the truth and just who is in the money train. I mentioned Al Gore because he is heavily invested in these carbon shares companies that were set up, after all the exposure I'm sure he has lost a lot of money, good! couldn't happen to a bigger asshole.


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[Agent Provocateur]

According to your flawed logic,.. and we are burning fossil fuels at a rate congruent to that of the dinosaurs? More or less? How much oil did the dinosaurs burn every day? How many greenhouse molecules did they produce than we did?

These questions are your logic not mine....

You want to get to the bottom of this global warming scam then in the words of Jessy the body and Governor Ventura you got to follow the money....
Even my own Gov here in Aus is in on the scam....Food and most other things are set to rise come July 1st when the carbon tax scam starts here....

[Agent Provocateur]

I'm too lazy to go back and find the sources but Rothschild is the one financing green initiatives in the UN, recent failure of an attempt to pass a treaty has put him and the recipients on ice for a while. I know the richest countries were targeted to make monstrous payments to these thieves under the guise of a treaty. Until the past few years no one heard anything about these people, a lot of under cover work has been done to uncover those that are really up to no good. If I find that document I'll post it, it gives a much more and comprehensive look into the truth and just who is in the money train. I mentioned Al Gore because he is heavily invested in these carbon shares companies that were set up, after all the exposure I'm sure he has lost a lot of money, good! couldn't happen to a bigger asshole.




LOL...They'd love you over the Icke forum....

[Darintrada]

Intercontinental warming is the cause of my douchness..

[eyeonyou]

Here I thought that douche used properly was a good thing. I never knew that it caused global warming. I thought it just created or helped to foster "localized" warming.

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[bullfighter]

yip my x worked for icke.. he has incredable info and lots is true i know.... some who knows not me,and some totally out to lunch unless he has contact with satan and one of his cronies..
LOL...They'd love you over the Icke forum....

[eyeonyou]

yip my x worked for icke.. he has incredable info and lots is true i know.... some who knows not me,and some totally out to lunch unless he has contact with satan and one of his cronies..

All this time I thought you were a guy bullfighter, my apologies.

[bullfighter]

must be a reading disablity,you will be corrected on the next show of my work skill typing improved sharing facts or fiction leads on human improvement articals of your self worth.......still a he and growing
All this time I thought you were a guy bullfighter, my apologies.

[eyeonyou]

must be a reading disablity,you will be corrected on the next show of my work skill typing improved sharing facts or fiction leads on human improvement articals of your self worth.......still a he and growing

OK, but I was going off of your post.
yip my x worked for icke.. he has incredable info Your ex and the word he, that is what I was going by and nothing else.

So it wasn't my reading. LOL Now if you were saying you're ex worked for a guy named Icke, then OK I comprehended words that could have multiple meanings. I didn't know Icke was a guy, I guessed it was a forum by another's post.
LOL...They'd love you over the Icke forum....

Sorry, as long as you know who and what you are! :D

[Unknown]

You can't use that a volcano emites more emissions than we do in 5 years because, even if it does, that is a cumulative total. A small change in climate can be fatal for certain areas around the world. Global warming is a known fact and has been proven by scientists who have studied this subject their whole lives. You cannot possibly say that you know more about the subject then them.

[eyeonyou]

You can't use that a volcano emites more emissions than we do in 5 years because, even if it does, that is a cumulative total. A small change in climate can be fatal for certain areas around the world. Global warming is a known fact and has been proven by scientists who have studied this subject their whole lives. You cannot possibly say that you know more about the subject then them.

So for the sake of your debate, you are saying your opinion is more correct than the equal or greater amount of scientists that know we run in cycles of the earth warming, cooling and warming and cooling again?

All historical data proves this.

[Rec]

Global warming is NOT a known fact with complete consensus within the scientific community. That is a fallacy. Look at Einstiens theory of relativity and the thirty years it took for an acceptance of it. And with the new Quantum Theory, Einstien never accepted it. Tis a discovery in the works.

Nothing has been conclusive proven yet, That is another fallacy. There are changes with our measurements and qualification for the here and now only. Science is not an exact art, it cannot logically be, for we are limited to how far we can go. We only have the conditioned to study by empirical givens, (facts already accesssible) and to work out the how, when, and where. NOT the why at all.
There is both the determined and the indetermined or variables. (Quantum)

Even in the theories put forth for the study of time, there are three, the A, the B, and the C postulates. For some of our physics we can still use to learn from the mechanical view, however that is being rapidly changed by the Quantum world. And there is debate over those theoretical hypotheses.

For any intelligent and rational scientist the knowledge that we do have always points to more to be discovered and completed. As long as there are questions, there are more answers. If this were not so there would be no need for scientific discovery at all.

[eyeonyou]

It exists for sure. The historical data of the study of the Earth's crust details it.

But you nailed it, the unproven, the Why!

But dang it Rec, Al Gore says we are the cause. After all he is a master scientist with all the scientists backing him up....LOL

[Rec]

It is possible for us to hurt the earth, but Natural selection and the evolutionary theory would by the Primary Axiom state that nature would recover herself by the very constants that hold it all together. Now, I personally do not buy into the Primary Axiom completely without question

. We could possible by nuclear explosion or magnetic disturbance change things drastically, and who knows as far as man goes, it remains a very real possibilty.

However, there has to be some intelligence to set up the information that we read from all fields of inquiry. For information, rational and mathematic information needs a agent of sort for the leaving or sending. And we the agents earthbound are rational agents able to read the information. We are the receivers of a great, wonderful world to live in, study and just marvel at its complexity and simplicity. JMO We should nuture and respect the world, and of course take care of it. But money, greed and power are motivators for the opposite directions.

Even our beloved science with all the great innovations and discoveries for the good of mankind also hold the responsibilty of horrible weapons both mechanical and biological, so as in all things, we are NOT gods with infinite wisdom. Only limited humans living in a condition reality, with understanding of some of the reasons for the fullfilment of those conditions, but without the possibility of infinite regression, then we have to come and stop at an unresticted, intelligence with complete intelligibilty and complete understanding that needs no other and fulfills the conditioned reality by encompassing it, holding it together as a simple, intelligent agent. Self sufficent, needing nothing and holding everything. JMO

[eyeonyou]

The Primary Axiom of the simplest form of Earth's own repair system are the holes in the ozone.

After all they are just exhaust vents. That is why we can locate one the size of Greenland and a month later it is NOT even be there. Now I am NOT a scientist, but that is what happens.

Oh by the way Rec, just so you won't feel lonesome for SHT, if Duff the fool was here he would say he doesn't have a clue of what you post....LOL Because he can't understand words. He is always asking someone to explain it to him. He might learn someday, but I doubt it. :D

[Rec]

I play games there, do you see that? I think that you do. Isn't that why we post at different places, like a masked ball!HAAAAAAAAAAAAA I do try hard NOT to be intentionally cruel when I stand up for myself however. Sometimes I blow it, tis a human propensity in all of us. eh? lol

[eyeonyou]

It is, but I haven't posted there in any form in a long time. I guess I don't have time for it as I haven't been posting in many places lately. Just here and a couple of professional sites giving advice like I always have to my friends in the BiZ.

Shoot I try NOT to read the train wrecks over there, but gawk I must at times....LOL

[Rec]

If they could possible reason why the shuttle launches did not injure the earth immensely, I could understand some of it. But even those holes with all that direct heat closed right back up again. eh?

You know something, I never hear anything but parroting of published works of a speculative theoretical manner. None even or especially at the Sht forum mention the following or even a knowledge of...

The six layers named by temperature patterns all ending in "sphere"/ They completely engulf the the earth in a sphere like manner. They are:

Troposhere,,,,nearest us and where all our weather occurs.

Then the Stratosphere...here the patterns reverse. Inside here lies the ozone layer.
The spaces between layer have steady temperatures and properties, then the temperature patterns reverse at the next layer.

At the top of the Troposhere is the tropopause layer, at the top of the straosphere is the stratopause layer.

The third layer is the mesoshpere,,,meso meaning middle.
Again the temperature reverses. IT gets colder, drops to 148 degrees below zero. The top of the mesosphere is about 50 miles up and there are no gases trapping sunrays there.




After some steady temperature is the Thermosphere much thicker than the lower three layers. It is about 230 miles thick and heats up as we climb to more than 3,600 degrees,,,we are now melting.

Above that furnace is the next blanket, the 280 miles Exosphere. The air is extremely thin with little gas so it keeps getting colder again.

The outermost layer is the Magnetosphere with no gases at all. Discovered in the 60'e. This is where the solar winds and earths magnetic field interact. There are huge electrical currents here. This layer provides an additional barrier stopping many space particles from entering earths atmosphere. Its thickness changes with the solar winds.

Consider the complexity and patterns of each functional layer constantly reversing temperature properties and ultimately providing an environment on our planet where a delicate flower can sprout and live.

We are babes, not yet in kindergarten, as far as what we know about our immediate environment. So no, nothing has been unified into a complete theory of everything at all. Then come back down to earth and think of our layers and layers of composites that make up one human body. We are still babes for a long time yet. Exciting to know that there is more out there yet,,,so much, much more!!

[eyeonyou]

Simplify it to say that man will never figure everything out. Because a man can only see one direction. As we gaze out into space, we will never reach the end of it so we can see the opposite direction. So all things can never be solved.

[Rec]

Our brains are simply not capable of the information, yet!!! tee hee

[Unknown]

So for the sake of your debate, you are saying your opinion is more correct than the equal or greater amount of scientists that know we run in cycles of the earth warming, cooling and warming and cooling again?

All historical data proves this.
Scientists have proven without a shadow of a doubt that global warming is a fact.
“Global warming will intensify drought and it will intensify floods,” Stephen Schneide. 2007 had some of the worst floods and droughts in history. As well as extreme summer temperatures in areas, an obvious proof that the earth is warming. There are more frequent and more intense forest fires now than 100 or so years ago. In your words, you are saying your opinion is more correct than the equal or greater amount of scientists that know and have proved that this earth is warming, and unless we act now there will be serious consequences in the distant future. Also I am basing my words on proof put forwards by people who know what they are talking about. And 97-98 % of scientists say that man made global warming is occuring. A small minority believe othewise.

[Patt]

And since 'history' has been recorded for a millisecond on the scale of time, as evidenced by those who realize that the earth is millions of years old, what does that say about those that are absolutely certain of global warming?

It says they're both short sighted and willing to bend the proverbial hockey stick to fit their preconceived notions.

Ah yes, man is evil - he must be eradicated for the benefit of man.

Utterly ignorant theory.

[eyeonyou]

Scientists have proven without a shadow of a doubt that global warming is a fact.
“Global warming will intensify drought and it will intensify floods,” Stephen Schneide. 2007 had some of the worst floods and droughts in history. As well as extreme summer temperatures in areas, an obvious proof that the earth is warming. There are more frequent and more intense forest fires now than 100 or so years ago. In your words, you are saying your opinion is more correct than the equal or greater amount of scientists that know and have proved that this earth is warming, and unless we act now there will be serious consequences in the distant future. Also I am basing my words on proof put forwards by people who know what they are talking about. And 97-98 % of scientists say that man made global warming is occuring. A small minority believe othewise.

And the historical data from those same exact scientist show before that was a cold period, before that a warm one and before that another cold one. That is what the historical data shows.

Is it warmer right now? Sure I won't argue that, but at some point it will by historical pattern get cooler again. We may or may NOT live to see it, but it will.

Get any of the scientists you refer to to repudiate the history of CLIMATE!

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Did man cause all the other spikes?

Here is one that is only 11,000 years old. Seems the graph goes up, the graph goes down.

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Even in 11,000 years, did we create all those spikes?