let's try to keep this on topic

[hitekredneck]

seems like most of these threads end up arguments about abortion or the existence of god...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_re_us/winter_storm;_ylt=AqzBlg6p7fktjassSIIzG_pH2ocA;_yl u=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-
i'ld like to see some scientific facts and/or data how global warming causes extreme winter weather such as the above story...

[yea_thats_right1]

i would too......

[something]

I do belive in global warming, but not that it will cause extreme weather changes

[beatniks-and-politics]

I do belive in global warming, but not that it will cause extreme weather changes

What do you beleive it will cause then?

[MrJim]

seems like most of these threads end up arguments about abortion or the existence of god...

i'ld like to see some scientific facts and/or data how global warming causes extreme winter weather such as the above story...

I don't buy global warming, our planet's temperatures have changed a million zillion times due to seismic activity and the like. That being said, pollution sucks whether it causes global warming or not and it would be great if we used alternative renewable fuels. That, and, I'm a cheapskate and hate paying these rediculous gas & electricity prices.

[something]

What do you beleive it will cause then?

Dead polar bears, less ice, longer summers, shorter winters and possible more floatings, but not lot's of hurricanes and that.

[starry123nights]

I did some research on this. I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but global warming has occurred years ago. Now unfortunately we are a contributing factor to global warming. I'd like to know more about this and we could do to help it or if it is a natural change that will keep occurring in years to come.

[Ape-Shit]

I get global warming everytime I get under the covers...!:p

[hitekredneck]

I get global warming everytime I get under the covers...!:p

specially after a bowl of texas chili, right?:D

[Ape-Shit]

specially after a bowl of texas chili, right?:D


Yeah..! That's Right...!:p

[General Septem]

Global warming is caused by all the fetuses that are disposed of by burning, which is another reason why abortion is wrong.

:D

[beatniks-and-politics]

Global warming is caused by all the fetuses that are disposed of by burning, which is another reason why abortion is wrong.

:D

.......so much for on topic.

[something]

Global warming is caused by all the fetuses that are disposed of by burning, which is another reason why abortion is wrong.

:D

If you make this thread to end up in a discussion about abortion, I'll blame for that.

[hitekredneck]

Global warming is caused by all the fetuses that are disposed of by burning, which is another reason why abortion is wrong.

:D

genny, i'm gonna beat you with a wet rolled up newspaper for that....lmfaooo:D

[MrJim]

Global warming is caused by all the fetuses that are disposed of by burning, which is another reason why abortion is wrong.

:D

Do what?! Is this a case against abortion or a case for stem cell research?

[Knightme]

Look there is no way to know for sure that global warming is happening! Maybe it is and maybe it is not. Its hard to get all the fact too! I tired looking for some hard data and I found more bullshit than I did real facts. Yeah maybe its the media and what is being fed in the mainsteam. Fuck I rarely watch TV but I need to watch it everynow and then. Every fucking time I watch the news we are always breaking a record. I think mainly that people who watch the news and fully trust the reporters are pushing this global warming crapy too far. Has anyone ever took the time to really think about how big the world really is. I cannot even grasp the size of our own globe not to mention the few spots of poplutation has a crazy effect like warming. We just are not sure if it is and is not happening. If we were taking records for the past 1000 years we might be able to tell a bit more on this subject. But for now I understand that no one has this answer yet.

As for the hurricans yeah you know jupiter and even neptune had some crazy storms. Jupiters is called "the red eye" and Neptunes "the black spot". Anywho Its funny do those storms happen every planetary-year?

Yeah we always looking to break records I feel. I just do not trust the numbers. Nor the people counting them. They are to busy saying look this is what I got. Then they should be saying I have something here...How I went about getting this number/s is.........(Explain)______________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________

I am sure you get the point people. Ahh my first post/comment/reply here....First of many perhaps

After Bed:rolleyes:

[something]

Look there is no way to know for sure that global warming is happening! Maybe it is and maybe it is not. Its hard to get all the fact too! I tired looking for some hard data and I found more bullshit than I did real facts. Yeah maybe its the media and what is being fed in the mainsteam. Fuck I rarely watch TV but I need to watch it everynow and then. Every fucking time I watch the news we are always breaking a record. I think mainly that people who watch the news and fully trust the reporters are pushing this global warming crapy too far. Has anyone ever took the time to really think about how big the world really is. I cannot even grasp the size of our own globe not to mention the few spots of poplutation has a crazy effect like warming. We just are not sure if it is and is not happening. If we were taking records for the past 1000 years we might be able to tell a bit more on this subject. But for now I understand that no one has this answer yet.

As for the hurricans yeah you know jupiter and even neptune had some crazy storms. Jupiters is called "the red eye" and Neptunes "the black spot". Anywho Its funny do those storms happen every planetary-year?

Yeah we always looking to break records I feel. I just do not trust the numbers. Nor the people counting them. They are to busy saying look this is what I got. Then they should be saying I have something here...How I went about getting this number/s is.........(Explain)______________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________

I am sure you get the point people. Ahh my first post/comment/reply here....First of many perhaps

After Bed:rolleyes:

You know, I agree with you here. Even thou, I think there is a global warming, but I don't think it's even in the near of so bad as media says it is. The only reason people think it's so bad, is because media exspose it to something large and serius. I don't think we going to suffer all to much for it in the future.

[conspiracy]

Remember the whole deal with the hole in the ozone layer. Do any of you actually hear about that topic anymore? I mean that was to cause global warming before right? Or was it cooling because it let all the heat out? I can't remember. You know why? Because it also had no real basis.

Polar Bears could be dying because of not enough food? I hardly think so since they are resourceful animals. Maybe because it is too warm for them .I mean that 25 below zero and they probably roast to death from heat.

I agree with Knightme .There is no scientific data to suggest global warming because I believe the Earth moves in cycles. Weather is affected by the position of the Earth to the sun. The Earth does not orbit the sun in a perfect circle , it's more like an oval. So that means on the years we are closer to the sun, a degree or two difference in the overall temp of the Earth is possible. Polar caps melt and reform, Climates change, although it can take thousands of years. Comparing the data that previous civilizations have recorded is hard if we can't always find that data. I agree that there are changes happening but sometimes I thing they take it to extremes. There are too many things scientists predict that never happen.
For Instance We were suppose to have a crap load of devastating hurricanes last year because of global warming. There was no crap load and the hurricane season was below average.

[Ausinus]

Whether you like it or not, global warming is being furthured by our pollution. Even the ICCP study states that "uneqivocably, global warming is being accelerated by human causes".

[General Septem]

Whether you like it or not, global warming is being furthured by our pollution. Even the ICCP study states that "uneqivocably, global warming is being accelerated by human causes".

And the GSDF says that it's not a problem. But the thing is, GSDF is just four random keys I hit with the caps lock on, and that's all "ICCP" means to me either.

[twisted_screams]

The movie inconvenient truth seems to show some actual facts on global warming. Al Gore produced it to try to get Americans to take notice of what is happening in the world. For the most part it makes sense, my question was why if he is so upset about this why didn't he make the movie free but then again in the end its always about money isn't it

[conspiracy]

Whether you like it or not, global warming is being furthured by our pollution. Even the ICCP study states that "uneqivocably, global warming is being accelerated by human causes".

You mean this ICCP?

The International Commission on Clouds and Precipitation (ICCP) is a Commission of the International Association
of Meteorology and Atmospheric Sciences (IAMAS)
The IAMAS is one of the associations of the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics



OBJECTIVES



1) To stimulate scientific research throughout the World
in the area of Clouds and Precipitation through the organization of Conferences, Workshops and Symposia, including symposia forming part of the General
Assemblies of IUGG.
2) To encourage the transfer of scientific ideas to scientists throughout the World and to facilitate international collaboration including the exchange of scientific researchers.
3) To provide support for scientists to attend relevant conferences.
4) To establish such working groups and committees as may be necessary, including joint committees with other Commissions of IUGG.
5) To organize meeting of the Commissions as may be necessary for the execution of its duties: such meetings will normally be held during major international conferences.
6) To report on its work to IUGG, through the IAMAS.



IMPORTANT INFORMATION



The Commission is formed of experts from around the world who are elected during quadrennial meetings normally held during the International Conference on Clouds and Precipitation. The Commission organizes such meetings, which have been held around the world.
The 15th International Conference on Cloud and Precipitation will
be held during early July, 2008, in Cancun, Mexico.
• • • • •
The 14th International Conference on Clouds and Precipitation was held in Bologna, Italy, 18-23 July 2004, with the Program Chair being the President, George Isaac , and the Chair of the Local Arrangements being Sandro Fuzzi, Atmospheric Chemistry, Institute of Atmospheric Sciences and Climate (ISAC), National Research Council, Via Gobetti 101, 40129 Bologna (Italy). ( http://www.isac.cnr.it/)

[conspiracy]

However to add to that , here is what Timothy Bell of the Candian Free Press has to say.

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.Ds. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.


What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?

Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.

No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?

Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.

Read the whole article here

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

[Ausinus]

The most recent IPCCreport contradicts his beliefs.

Sorry I meant IPCC, not ICCP.

[General Septem]

They also said global warming will most likely lead to heavy rainfall.

I love rain and wish to live somewhere it rains nearly incessantly, so I say fuck the grandkids - I'm cold now. :D

[Ausinus]

They also said global warming will most likely lead to heavy rainfall.

I love rain and wish to live somewhere it rains nearly incessantly, so I say fuck the grandkids - I'm cold now. :D

Move to Seattle :D

[conspiracy]

Move to Seattle :D

LOL , That's good. I never wish to live in that constant state of thunderstorms.

[General Septem]

Seattle has a lot of thunderstorms? It's always bright and sunny when I see it on TV. That might be a nice place to live though. :D

[hitekredneck]

to prove either way...the planet is billions of yrs old, and the only truly scientific way to prove or disprove would be to take temperature readings for the majority of yrs that the planet has existed...impossible....what i find fascinating about the whole subject, is if you look up past media coverage from the '70's, it was all about global cooling...funny...here's a time article from 1974:
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,944914,00.html
i could provide more, but my point that there's always some crisis going on has been proven...until we actually get the tech to prove or disprove the theory of warming or cooling, i withhold my judgements :cool:
btw, al gore is a screwball...

[MrJim]

(Quote from the article)


Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend. The University of Wisconsin's Reid A. Bryson and other climatologists suggest that dust and other particles released into the atmosphere as a result of farming and fuel burning may be blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the surface of the earth.


So the burning of fuel both dangerously cools the earth and dangerously heats the earth. Interesting...

[theicidal maniac]

However to add to that , here is what Timothy Bell of the Candian Free Press has to say.

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.Ds. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.
What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?
Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.
No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?
Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.
Read the whole article here
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

Interesting that he keeps asking why no one is listening...it's most likely because he is one of the only scientists saying this.

[conspiracy]

I've always found it interesting that when the vikings found Greenland it was green. Iceland likewise was Ice and now it is opposite. Greenland is ice ,mostly and iceland is very nice and green. OR maybe they weren't that way and they were only named Iceland and Greenland for a funny joke. Half of the scientific community could go either way with global warming. One half gets more media attention however because it sells more newspapers , TV ads ect. I will agree the earth is warmer on average than say 100 years ago. Polar caps are melting, the ocean's overall temprature is getting warmer which causes more intense hurricanes ect. I agree with all of that. I think It is a cycle and it has happened and will happen as long as this planet exsists. Temperatures have only been recorded accurately since the 1800's. Think has long the earth has been here and what could have happened when humans did not take records or records had been destroyed for any reason.

Don't you think it is possible that the warming and cooling has happened before for various reasons? The ice age , the mini Ice age ect. Wouldn't global warming actually spur global cooling and create climate shifts and if so don't you think it has happened before?

Here's an article that I want to share. Give me your thoughts.

"Reports on global warming fill our screens and newspapers. Time magazine's April issue, for example, carried a sixteen-page special report on global warming, featuring a frying earth on its cover. "Global Warming Is Real and Not Going Away," declared a recent front page of USA Today. "Global Warming Is Getting Worse," announced a recent headline in the New York Times. Yet, despite the extensive coverage, there is much on global warming that is left unreported.

Take for instance the cooling trend in the lower five miles of the atmosphere, detected by weather balloons, and independently confirmed by NASA's orbiting satellites. This data, gathered from all over the globe, through precise microwave and radio measurements, shows an average drop of 0.19ºF in air temperature since 1979. The National Academy of Sciences finds this cooling trend, which conflicts with the global warming hypothesis, "so pronounced as to be difficult to explain."

Most media reports ignore the evidence for cooling and focus instead on records from land stations, which indicate a 1°F increase in surface temperatures during the 20th century. What they fail to report is that this increase was measured mostly in and around urban centers, and therefore indicates urban—not global—warming.

Also left unreported is the fact that 90 percent of this 1°F urban warming occurred before 1940. If carbon dioxide emitted by industries and cars was causing this warming, should not most of the increase in temperature have occurred after 1940, when industries and cars became more plentiful and, consequently, carbon emissions increased significantly?

Even more interesting, but also left unreported, is the fact that from 1946 until 1975, while industrialization expanded and carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere increased, urban surface temperatures actually cooled. At the time, many in the media feared a new ice age.

Such facts throw into question the belief that global warming exists and that industrialization is affecting the earth's temperature. Nevertheless, the New York Times recently stated: "Human activity is the dominant force behind . . . global warming."

If man is not the cause of climate change, what is?

Dr. Fred Singer, professor of environmental sciences and former director of the National Weather Satellite Service, explains that climate change is a natural phenomenon, which has been going on for hundreds of millions of years. Ice core samples from the Arctic, for example, show an 18ºF temperature variation during the last 160,000 years. Dr. Singer further notes that solar activity greatly affects the temperatures and the climate on earth.

But most reports in the media ignore the existence of dissenting views such as Dr. Singer's. According to Scientific American, "few scientists doubt the atmosphere is warming." Time magazine bluntly claims: "Scientists no longer doubt that global warming is happening."

Any reporter actively in search for the facts on global warming would easily discover that during the last three years more than 17,000 American scientists, including geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, and oceanographers, have signed the Oregon Petition declaring that "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of . . . greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate." [http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm]

Such omissions on the part of reporters are unjustifiable, and so are their irresponsible attempts to scare people. CNN warns of "disastrous weather changes" resulting in "more floods, droughts, storms, and hurricanes." Scientific American forecasts "death by drowning or starvation" and the "emergence, resurgence and spread of infectious disease."

But many scientists, among them Dr. Frederick Seitz, former president of the National Academy of Sciences, think that the catastrophic scenarios are mistaken, and that a warming of the earth would actually be beneficial to mankind and to life in general: "Warmer weather extends growing seasons and generally improves the habitability of colder regions." Furthermore, increases in carbon dioxide would boost the growth of crops and forests, which feed on this gas.

Given all this contrary evidence and scientific dissent, why is the bulk of reporting biased towards the belief in a disastrous, man-made global warming?

The answer is that the media have largely accepted the environmentalist premise that civilized man—by exploiting nature to fulfill his needs—is not the creator but the destroyer of human values. This non-objective premise is held with blind, religious fervor. Holding the premise dogmatically, the media have no eyes or ears for evidence against it. Their view of man as inherently destructive automatically leads them to distrust all that man creates. That is why most reporters unquestioningly report that factories, power plants, and cars are causing a catastrophic global warming. And that is why thirty years ago they unquestioningly reported that factories, power plants, and cars were causing a catastrophic global cooling.

If you want to know the truth about global warming—or acid rain, or the ozone hole, or any other environmental issue—you must keep in mind that the media are not giving you the true story. And the reason for that is very simple. They are reporting on the world as they see it: distorted through green lenses."

You can find this article here http://www.objectivescience.com/articles/dh_media_warm.htm

[General Septem]

Actually, Iceland still has plenty of ice from what I hear. And likewise, Greenland has always been mostly a sheet of ice, but the archipelago which surrounds this ice may be what's green.

[beelzebub]

Actually, Iceland still has plenty of ice from what I hear. And likewise, Greenland has always been mostly a sheet of ice, but the archipelago which surrounds this ice may be what's green.

GS - You can be so myopic at times. Perhaps you should get out and see the world (away from your computer) before you start putting your 2 cents in.

[General Septem]

You can be so myopic at times.

I try.

____

[theicidal maniac]

Hey Beelz, what say you about Global Warming? Personally, I really don't know shit about it, so I have tried to avoid this thread even though I've seen some dumb shit. But I read a lot of scientific journals and writing and stuff, and it seems to me almost unanimous in the scientific community that there is support and much evidence that we really do have a problem on our hands. Would you agree?