View Full Version : Could better parenting calm the debate?
MrJim
02-10-2007, 01:07 AM
Since I work nights, day time television sucks ass. It's either court shows or talk shows every day. So, I was flipping through the other day and landed on this talk show where some pregnant chick was after child support from ten possible dads. TEN POSSIBLE DADS! So the host (I think it was Maury) got a DNA test made, and one by one he told the dads "You are not the father"... all the way down to the tenth dad, and he again said "You are not the father". UN-FREAKIN-BELIEVABLE... 10 out of 10 possible dads not the father.
And the chick (unless she changed her mind after the show) showed no intention of having an abortion ... seriously ... THIS CRAZY WHORE is going to breed. Thoughts of MANDITORY ABORTION came to mind first... but the next thoughts were "where's her mom and dad in this?" I never saw them come up anywhere in the show. Either they were ashamed of her and therefore casted her out, or they just didn't care enough about her to comment. Either way, it seems like the root of this problem was BAD PARENTING.
Instead of debating abortion, shouldn't we instead be focused on raising our kids not to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS? Responsibility comes as a result of proper guidance. If you eliminate the stupidity that puts someone in the position to go "Omigod, I'm a stupid whore about to have a daughter with no daddy what do i do", wouldn't we be free from the abortion debate in many cases? Just a thought.
I agree. To me once the baby is there it's too late, what's done is done. But with the proper guidance and upbringing in most cases it would never even get to that point in the first place.
something
02-10-2007, 01:47 AM
Of course, preventing people from even getting pregnant in the first place, is better than abortion. So teaching teenagers about using condoms and so, would be a good thing.
MrJim
02-10-2007, 01:48 AM
Of course, preventing people from even getting pregnant in the first place, is better than abortion. So teaching teenagers about using condoms and so, would be a good thing.
Yeah, so... there you go! Debate dissipates, left-wing is happy, right-wing is happy, right?
something
02-10-2007, 01:57 AM
Yeah, so... there you go! Debate dissipates, left-wing is happy, right-wing is happy, right?
Allright...?:confused: uhm, I don't think I understood so much about that.
MrJim
02-10-2007, 02:07 AM
Allright...?:confused: uhm, I don't think I understood so much about that.
I'm saying that when 90% of the people make smart decisions, then the 10% make dumb ones, the right shows zero tolerance for the 10% and the left argues that the 10% are being treated unfairly.
In the case of abortion, parenting and education skips completely over the two sides arguing about abortion, because it's never an issue. Then there aren't dumb sluts on TV making people consider "The baby has rights" or "Abort that dumb bitch's kid".
Yeah, so... there you go! Debate dissipates, left-wing is happy, right-wing is happy, right?
Not quite, I could never ever condone pre marital sex. To me sex is meant for marriage and marriage alone. Having it outside of that can only create problems condoms or not. Besides that condoms do not prevent pregnancy in all cases. That's why the best route will always be abstaining.
Ausinus
02-10-2007, 02:29 AM
Not quite, I could never ever condone pre marital sex. To me sex is meant for marriage and marriage alone. Having it outside of that can only create problems condoms or not. Besides that condoms do not prevent pregnancy in all cases. That's why the best route will always be abstaining.
Which is why abstinence only sex education is so effective.;)
MrJim
02-10-2007, 02:30 AM
Not quite, I could never ever condone pre marital sex. To me sex is meant for marriage and marriage alone. Having it outside of that can only create problems condoms or not. Besides that condoms do not prevent pregnancy in all cases. That's why the best route will always be abstaining.
I can't agree with you on that one. Telling kids that sex is evil unless you're hitched is what causes 14-year-old kids to get married and have kids way before their maturity level. That, or, they pick having sex anyway over a relationship with their parents because they feel dirty and evil when they are judged by them... both are bad outcomes. There are exceptions to every rule, but I wouldn't count on it. And condoms are pretty damn safe, I have never gotten anyone pregnant using one.
Ausinus
02-10-2007, 02:31 AM
I can't agree with you on that one. Telling kids that sex is evil unless you're hitched is what causes 14-year-old kids to get married and have kids way before their maturity level. That, or, they pick having sex anyway over a relationship with their parents because they feel dirty and evil when they are judged by them... both are bad outcomes. There are exceptions to every rule, but I wouldn't count on it. And condoms are pretty damn safe, I have never gotten anyone pregnant using one.
The failure rate is about 1-2%.
Ajk, how do you explain Australias lower teen pregnancy rate? Because our sex education is far more thorough than ours. And strangely, it doesnt teach abstinence.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 03:11 AM
I have to say that some people JUST AREN'T GONNA BE BETTER PARENTS, so abortion is still a viable solution. Also, ajk said (i ALWAYS follow that phrase by shaking my head, it seems) that he believes that once the baby is there it is too late. Once again he fails to take REALITY in to the picture. It's not too late. We can do abortions. We have the option. There is that choice...if you don't like it, THEN DON'T HAVE AN ABORTION! Don't try to tell slutty bitches that having an abortion is evil when we know that they are just going to raise a fuck-up of a child that MY kid is gonna have to go to school with.
To me sex is meant for marriage and marriage alone. Having it outside of that can only create problems.
Can ONLY create problems??? whoa dude, take that shit back, think before you talk and restate your position. Sure, it CAN cause problems, but to say it can ONLY cause problems is so false it defies all that surrounds you. I would venture a guess that at least half of the people you know were conceived out of wedlock despite what their parents tell them, but are those people "problems?" If so, what is your "final solution?" It can cause a lot more than problems. It can also cause a great deal of consequence-free fun and joy. can ONLY cause problems, you say? You couldn't BE more wrong. You could try, but you would not be successful.
MrJim
02-10-2007, 03:19 AM
I have to say that some people JUST AREN'T GONNA BE BETTER PARENTS, so abortion is still a viable solution. Also, ajk said (i ALWAYS follow that phrase by shaking my head, it seems) that he believes that once the baby is there it is too late. Once again he fails to take REALITY in to the picture. It's not too late. We can do abortions. We have the option. There is that choice...if you don't like it, THEN DON'T HAVE AN ABORTION! Don't try to tell slutty bitches that having an abortion is evil when we know that they are just going to raise a fuck-up of a child that MY kid is gonna have to go to school with.
What I was getting at is that if the PARENTS of the SLUTTY BITCH were good parents and used responsible parenting skills, then she wouldn't BE a slutty bitch and wouldn't be in the position to have to have or not have an abortion. Then there wouldn't be an abortion debate. How do you get parents to do their jobs? Beats me, what happened before abortions were invented? Could it be that people did a better job raising their kids and didn't let the TV raise them?
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 03:28 AM
What I was getting at is that if the PARENTS of the SLUTTY BITCH were good parents and used responsible parenting skills, then she wouldn't BE a slutty bitch and wouldn't be in the position to have to have or not have an abortion. Then there wouldn't be an abortion debate. How do you get parents to do their jobs? Beats me, what happened before abortions were invented? Could it be that people did a better job raising their kids and didn't let the TV raise them?
Could be. Could very well be. However I think we can also say that if her irresponsible parents popped a morning-after pill, "then she wouldn't BE a slutty bitch and wouldn't be in the position to have to have or not have an abortion." So, I'm just sayin, you and I know there are people that we don't wanna see breed (by "see" I don't mean watch) and we should consider our options, and not be anti-choice like AJK or Genital Slurpem.
MrJim
02-10-2007, 03:31 AM
Could be. Could very well be. However I think we can also say that if her irresponsible parents popped a morning-after pill, "then she wouldn't BE a slutty bitch and wouldn't be in the position to have to have or not have an abortion." So, I'm just sayin, you and I know there are people that we don't wanna see breed (by "see" I don't mean watch) and we should consider our options, and not be anti-choice like AJK or Genital Slurpem.
Ha ha ha, I see we keep going backwards with this one, maybe if some DNA tests were run by you scientist folks... you could isolate the gene that caused her to be a stupid whore and eliminate it for us altogether.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 03:34 AM
Ha ha ha, I see we keep going backwards with this one, maybe if some DNA tests were run by you scientist folks... you could isolate the gene that caused her to be a stupid whore and eliminate it for us altogether.
Yeah I think it's the Hoxa9 gene...lol. Remind me why we don't perform clitoral circumcision in this country?
MrJim
02-10-2007, 03:37 AM
Yeah I think it's the Hoxa9 gene...lol. Remind me why we don't perform clitoral circumcision in this country?
I don't think anyone would like it if women couldn't get aroused, that's just unpleasant every way you look at it.
By the way, do you know how I can make the "QUOTE" things appear like they are supposed to? That's really bugging me.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 03:41 AM
I don't think anyone would like it if women couldn't get aroused, that's just unpleasant every way you look at it.
Well, personally I like it when a girl lays in a tub of ice water for about 5 minutes before sex, then lays perfectly still while I do my thing. I'll pay top dollar for that. ;)
By the way, do you know how I can make the "QUOTE" things appear like they are supposed to? That's really bugging me.
No. Me too.
MrJim
02-10-2007, 03:43 AM
[QUOTE=theicidal maniac;20490]Well, personally I like it when a girl lays in a tub of ice water for about 5 minutes before sex, then lays perfectly still while I do my thing. I'll pay top dollar for that. ;)
Ah, I see where this all came from now... you really just dig the slutty bitches :D
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 03:44 AM
[QUOTE=theicidal maniac;20490]Well, personally I like it when a girl lays in a tub of ice water for about 5 minutes before sex, then lays perfectly still while I do my thing. I'll pay top dollar for that. ;)
Ah, I see where this all came from now... you really just dig the slutty bitches :D
Yes...And damnit, sometimes I need them to get abortions. That's why I'm pro-choice. So I can knock up bitches left and right without consequence. Also to piss of AJK.
MrJim
02-10-2007, 03:54 AM
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Yes...And damnit, sometimes I need them to get abortions. That's why I'm pro-choice. So I can knock up bitches left and right without consequence. Also to piss of AJK.
I was going to post Quagmire going "giggety-giggety" for you but this no-htmling piece of crap wouldn't let me...
hitekredneck
02-10-2007, 08:10 AM
better parenting would solve a great many of our problems in the world, unfortunately, people are laze and do their parenting by setting kids in front of the tv and video game consoles...
something
02-10-2007, 09:29 AM
Condones work positive in almost all cases. If you have sex with a, condone, with a person that is positive for HIV is chance that you get AIDS 1 to 500 000 000. So condones work, and you don't have to be afraid it wont, the failure is very, very low.
[QUOTE=MrJim;20494]
Yes...And damnit, sometimes I need them to get abortions. That's why I'm pro-choice. So I can knock up bitches left and right without consequence.
You don't need abortions at all. If you can't control yourself that's your own fault.
something
02-10-2007, 10:15 AM
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You don't need abortions at all. If you can't control yourself that's your own fault.
If you make a misstake, you might "need" to correct everything.
Again I repeat it's your own fault, and you should have to deal with the results of it.
something
02-10-2007, 11:22 AM
Again I repeat it's your own fault, and you should have to deal with the results of it.
Not if you can fix them, then you never harmed anyone.
twisted_screams
02-10-2007, 11:37 AM
I saw that episode. It really works my nerves that women can be so stupid.
But then again you have to look at the reasons the woman was sleeping around like that in the first place. I Don't believe that most women have multiple partners for the sake of just getting off, I believe that women like that are mentally unstable in their lives and in themselves and looking for that night in shining armor so to speak to sweep them off their feet.
There was another woman on that episode that seemed to get heavier each time she came back to the show to test another possible Daddy. Which in my opinion is just plain lack of self worth.
I also wonder about the girls i see walking home from school, in their tight fitting clothes and their grown up attitudes. I basically want to slap their mommas. But the fact of the matter is their mommas are probably the same damn way putting it all out their to get a man ( or to get a man with money)
I don't think if i had a little girl i could allow her to dress that way, but then again if i didn't allow her to dress that way she would get picked on constantly by those that do. Its a never ending cycle.
I am so glad that i have 5 boys and not 5 girls.
I saw this joke a while back that says it all.
Man: damn look at that
Man2: What
Man: that fresh piece of meat over there.
Man2 ( wide eyed) Where?
Man: over there
Man2: ( mouth falling open) That's my damn daughter. Don't you look at her like that
Man; Then i suggest you don't allow her to dress like that ( walks off)
That joke says it all. Just like the pj pants that has cutie and sexy and other things written across the ass. If you don't want people reading and looking at your daughters ass don't buy her the shit to wear.
But i do agree in the long wrong the parents should be more responsible if we started using the word NO more then Yes we could really start helping the world to be a little better.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 11:39 AM
AJK as per your position on this subject...being that abstinence is the best policy...Well im going to disagree with you... and ill tell ya why. When i was little i went to a catholic school. We had to follow strict rules and learn things that gave us no room for ideas or growth... well my mom and my dad divorced and we moved and started public school. I was invited to go to prom at one of the all boy catholic schools..so i thought what the hell... I saw 5-6 of the girls i was in catholic school with... they were drinking and went outside to smoke pot... one was pregnant...they were cussing and disrespectful... they even invited me to go to a party after prom where there would be lots of beer and a bunch of "fun drugs"... and do you know why these girls are out of control? Because they were restricted their entire lives...and when you make something forbidden and beat it into their bains every single day... it causes most to rebel in a big explosive and loud way.... now my mother told me growing up that if i ever wated to drink i could as long as i was at home... and i could have sex if i talked to her first, and if i ever was stuck at a party i wasnt supposed to be at i could call her and she wouldnt be mad.... thats how i think you should parent... tell you kids they can do what they want that way its not forbidden and more than likely they wont do it... i didnt do any of those things... i had sex when i was 16 almost 17 and i married that man... so how did that mess up mylife AJK? sex is ok if you take precautions and get checked out and are READY to have sex. AJK i think that the reason you dont agree with sex before marriagew is because you havent found anyone to have sex with... which might be why u have a porn addiction....no offence meant there ...
something
02-10-2007, 11:41 AM
I saw that episode. It really works my nerves that women can be so stupid.
But then again you have to look at the reasons the woman was sleeping around like that in the first place. I Don't believe that most women have multiple partners for the sake of just getting off, I believe that women like that are mentally unstable in their lives and in themselves and looking for that night in shining armor so to speak to sweep them off their feet.
There was another woman on that episode that seemed to get heavier each time she came back to the show to test another possible Daddy. Which in my opinion is just plain lack of self worth.
I also wonder about the girls i see walking home from school, in their tight fitting clothes and their grown up attitudes. I basically want to slap their mommas. But the fact of the matter is their mommas are probably the same damn way putting it all out their to get a man ( or to get a man with money)
I don't think if i had a little girl i could allow her to dress that way, but then again if i didn't allow her to dress that way she would get picked on constantly by those that do. Its a never ending cycle.
I am so glad that i have 5 boys and not 5 girls.
I saw this joke a while back that says it all.
Man: damn look at that
Man2: What
Man: that fresh piece of meat over there.
Man2 ( wide eyed) Where?
Man: over there
Man2: ( mouth falling open) That's my damn daughter. Don't you look at her like that
Man; Then i suggest you don't allow her to dress like that ( walks off)
That joke says it all. Just like the pj pants that has cutie and sexy and other things written across the ass. If you don't want people reading and looking at your daughters ass don't buy her the shit to wear.
But i do agree in the long wrong the parents should be more responsible if we started using the word NO more then Yes we could really start helping the world to be a little better.
Man, you really manage to clear your point. :D
something
02-10-2007, 11:44 AM
[QUOTE= AJK i think that the reason you dont agree with sex before marriagew is because you havent found anyone to have sex with... which might be why u have a porn addiction....no offence meant there ...[/QUOTE]
Even if it's true :D
MrJim
02-10-2007, 01:36 PM
ajk is pinocostle or something.
hitekredneck
02-10-2007, 02:02 PM
ajk is pinocostle or something.
nah, just an uptight virgin ;)
MrJim
02-10-2007, 02:10 PM
nah, just an uptight virgin ;)
He sounds like he's been sheltered his whole life and never learned how to have fun.
something
02-10-2007, 02:12 PM
nah, just an uptight virgin ;)
Or maybe he is for abstinence. Your government spend over One BILLION dollars on keeping non-marrige people from having sex. Wierd actually. I wonder why?
MrJim
02-10-2007, 02:14 PM
Or maybe he is for abstinence. Your government spend over One BILLION dollars on keeping non-marrige people from having sex. Wierd actually. I wonder why?
Which would explain why our government fails to post a profit decade-upon-decade.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/44455
hitekredneck
02-10-2007, 02:26 PM
Or maybe he is for abstinence. Your government spend over One BILLION dollars on keeping non-marrige people from having sex. Wierd actually. I wonder why?
i understand it...abstinence, tho unlikely to occur, is the only 100% effective defense against std's and pregnancy...unfortunately, it's also a pipe dream...won't ever happen
MrJim
02-10-2007, 02:30 PM
i understand it...abstinence, tho unlikely to occur, is the only 100% effective defense against std's and pregnancy...unfortunately, it's also a pipe dream...won't ever happen
Sort of like people with different religions & political leanings ever being able to compromise for each other. Another pipe dream... I'm putting mine down (it was that huge bong on the other post I think)
R.I.P.
Peace & Acceptance.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 04:04 PM
i understand it...abstinence, tho unlikely to occur, is the only 100% effective defense against std's and pregnancy...unfortunately, it's also a pipe dream...won't ever happen
It's also a surefire path to extinction.
hitekredneck
02-10-2007, 05:51 PM
Sort of like people with different religions & political leanings ever being able to compromise for each other. Another pipe dream... I'm putting mine down (it was that huge bong on the other post I think)
R.I.P.
Peace & Acceptance.
pssstt....that weren't a bong....but one helluva big pipe ;)
hitekredneck
02-10-2007, 05:52 PM
It's also a surefire path to extinction.
not really...the desire to procreate is just too strong to overcome...abstinance is like communism, only works in theory
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 06:20 PM
not really...the desire to procreate is just too strong to overcome...abstinance is like communism, only works in theory
yea, i know...i'm not the one who proposed abstinence. I am only discussing it's inevitable ultimate outcome.
not really...the desire to procreate is just too strong to overcome..
Not quite. You ultimately have power over yourself and what you do. If you really set your mind to it, you can do anything, including abstaining from sex until marriage. It's only as impossible as you make it to be.
hitekredneck
02-10-2007, 06:41 PM
Not quite. You ultimately have power over yourself and what you do. If you really set your mind to it, you can do anything, including abstaining from sex until marriage. It's only as impossible as you make it to be.
i was talking in the general sense of time...and like it or not, it aint' for everybody :D
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 07:07 PM
Not quite. You ultimately have power over yourself and what you do. If you really set your mind to it, you can do anything, including abstaining from sex until marriage. It's only as impossible as you make it to be.
So what about societies that DON'T HAVE MARRIAGE?
What about Beavers. Beavers have TONS of sex, and are never married. Those filthy animals.
hitekredneck
02-10-2007, 07:14 PM
So what about societies that DON'T HAVE MARRIAGE?
What about Beavers. Beavers have TONS of sex, and are never married. Those filthy animals.
don't ferget those damned rabbits
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 07:16 PM
don't ferget those damned rabbits
They'll fuck themselves eventually.
Obviously that's different, animals are on a different level from us in many ways such as that.
Ausinus
02-10-2007, 07:46 PM
Not quite. You ultimately have power over yourself and what you do. If you really set your mind to it, you can do anything, including abstaining from sex until marriage. It's only as impossible as you make it to be.
Nope, it can cause extreme physcological damage to supress such a powerful instinct.
Ausinus
02-10-2007, 08:00 PM
Explain how.
Ever felt restless when you cannot get sexual relief? Well imagine that 24/7, you would become so stressed that eventually you will either give in and relieve yourself or begin to unravel mentally.
Again that's why the body will release the excess sperm on it's own, for guys at least.
Ausinus
02-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Again that's why the body will release the excess sperm on it's own, for guys at least.
Im not talking about sperm, im talking about sexual tension. In any case, wet dreams do not relieve sexual tension.
In a way it does, because it gets rid of the extra sperm built up that helps add to the tension.
Ausinus
02-10-2007, 08:21 PM
In a way it does, because it gets rid of the extra sperm built up that helps add to the tension.
Number of sperm has nothing to do his sexual tension. The body eliminates sperm itself, but this doesnt alleiviate the urge to procreate.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 08:57 PM
just figured id re-post this ... seemed to have gotten lost...
AJK as per your position on this subject...being that abstinence is the best policy...Well im going to disagree with you... and ill tell ya why. When i was little i went to a catholic school. We had to follow strict rules and learn things that gave us no room for ideas or growth... well my mom and my dad divorced and we moved and started public school. I was invited to go to prom at one of the all boy catholic schools..so i thought what the hell... I saw 5-6 of the girls i was in catholic school with... they were drinking and went outside to smoke pot... one was pregnant...they were cussing and disrespectful... they even invited me to go to a party after prom where there would be lots of beer and a bunch of "fun drugs"... and do you know why these girls are out of control? Because they were restricted their entire lives...and when you make something forbidden and beat it into their bains every single day... it causes most to rebel in a big explosive and loud way.... now my mother told me growing up that if i ever wated to drink i could as long as i was at home... and i could have sex if i talked to her first, and if i ever was stuck at a party i wasnt supposed to be at i could call her and she wouldnt be mad.... thats how i think you should parent... tell you kids they can do what they want that way its not forbidden and more than likely they wont do it... i didnt do any of those things... i had sex when i was 16 almost 17 and i married that man... so how did that mess up mylife AJK? sex is ok if you take precautions and get checked out and are READY to have sex. AJK i think that the reason you dont agree with sex before marriagew is because you havent found anyone to have sex with... which might be why u have a porn addiction....no offence meant there ...
How do you know that about those girls? You have no idea what went on beyond the school walls, so how can you say that they did what they did because they were restricted? For all you know, they could have been the same way while in catholic school too.
As for your comments on sex before marriage, good for you if you married the man you lost your virginity too. However that is an exception rather then the rule. In a lot of cases a person will have several boyfriends/girlfriends before marrying someone (if they do at all). When you bring sex into the equation there it can create problems in several ways. First off, it makes break ups that's much harder because of what you've shared together. Also it effects future relationships in that, how is someone to know if you have had STD's or whatnot? Sure you may tell them you haven't had any, but they still might be slow to trust you.
Also too, when contraceptives are involved, you are going against what sex is naturally meant to be for. That is to create new life, with the pleasure that goes along with the act being an extra bonus as it were.
If truly love someone, you love them for everything about them, and that includes their ability to bringforth children. By using a condom, it's basically saying I love you except for that.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:16 PM
How do you know that about those girls? You have no idea what went on beyond the school walls, so how can you say that they did what they did because they were restricted? For all you know, they could have been the same way while in catholic school too.
As for your comments on sex before marriage, good for you if you married the man you lost your virginity too. However that is an exception rather then the rule. In a lot of cases a person will have several boyfriends/girlfriends before marrying someone (if they do at all). When you bring sex into the equation there it can create problems in several ways. First off, it makes break ups that's much harder because of what you've shared together. Also it effects future relationships in that, how is someone to know if you have had STD's or whatnot? Sure you may tell them you haven't had any, but they still might be slow to trust you.
Also too, when contraceptives are involved, you are going against what sex is naturally meant to be for. That is to create new life, with the pleasure that goes along with the act being an extra bonus as it were.
If truly love someone, you love them for everything about them, and that includes their ability to bringforth children. By using a condom, it's basically saying I love you except for that.
I use condoms with my husband because we cant afford kids at the moment...you are sooo young and that last statement just proved that.... and as far as my old catholic school friends... most privet (religious) school girls do go wild and crazy after they graduate.... how in the hell can you say no to contraception, and in the same fucking breath say no to abortion... you are an idiot.
Well if you can't afford kids, then there's a little something called Natural Family Planning. You yourself know when you are most fertile, so based off that you could time when you have sex so that it's not done at that time.
As for why I say no to both, because simply they are both wrong.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:22 PM
Well if you can't afford kids, then there's a little something called Natural Family Planning. You yourself know when you are most fertile, so based off that you could time when you have sex so that it's not done at that time.
oh and THATS 100 fucking percent effective..... i thought you were atleast slightly smarter than that....pfffftt
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:23 PM
ok what about this.... what if your husband or wife has AIDS or HERPIES... still no condoms?? you are retarded.
In that case I don't think sex would even be an option.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:26 PM
this is from babycenter.com .... can we use condoms now????
"2 percent of fertile couples have sperm allergies, while 5 to 25 percent of couples with fertility problems have them. About 20 to 40 percent of couples with sperm allergies conceive with the help of artificial insemination or an assisted reproductive technology (ART) treatment.
Although we don't know why a woman develops sperm antibody reactions, a man develops antibodies to his own sperm when it comes into contact with his blood, usually after he has a vasectomy, testicular torsion (where a testicle twists inside the scrotum), infection, or trauma. nullSince the two fluids don't normally mix, blood mounts an allergic reaction against sperm. Men who reverse vasectomies in the hope of fathering children often develop an allergic reaction to their own sperm."
I don't care what that says. What's wrong is wrong and that's all there is to it. You may not like it, but that's too bad.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:29 PM
I don't care what that says. What's wrong is wrong and that's all there is to it. You may not like it, but that's too bad.
hahaha u know ur wrong... you always use that little saying when you have no facts or any experience to back your theories....Oh you dont care what that says... funny... im gonna go look for a "religious" web site... maybe if god puts it out there maybe you wont be such a thick headed dink...
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:30 PM
How do you know that about those girls? You have no idea what went on beyond the school walls, so how can you say that they did what they did because they were restricted? For all you know, they could have been the same way while in catholic school too.
As for your comments on sex before marriage, good for you if you married the man you lost your virginity too. However that is an exception rather then the rule. In a lot of cases a person will have several boyfriends/girlfriends before marrying someone (if they do at all). When you bring sex into the equation there it can create problems in several ways. First off, it makes break ups that's much harder because of what you've shared together. Also it effects future relationships in that, how is someone to know if you have had STD's or whatnot? Sure you may tell them you haven't had any, but they still might be slow to trust you.
Also too, when contraceptives are involved, you are going against what sex is naturally meant to be for. That is to create new life, with the pleasure that goes along with the act being an extra bonus as it were.
If truly love someone, you love them for everything about them, and that includes their ability to bringforth children. By using a condom, it's basically saying I love you except for that.
I like how you ask HER how the hell she wuld know about these girls (who she admits that she knows) and then you proceed to tell her all about the girls as if YOU know anything about them. Brilliant! Your body is BIOLOGICALLY COMPELLED to desire sexual intercourse, it's a strong physical drive that ensures species propagation. Now if you take someone who has those feelings (99% humans) and tell them that those feeling are wicked and wrong and that you should not give in you do a couple things to that person. You make it a verbal taboo, meaning that it shouldn't be openly discussed unless to say that abstinence is great (and that's just regurgitation). This can make a person feel that they are the only one with this problem, or that there is something wrong with them because they feel the way that they are naturally compelled to feel.
Another biological effect of sex is that it feels amazing and it does powerful things to your brain, so, in all likelihood you will enjoy it (even if only on some naughty level, for you repressed folks). Now, you have this thing, sex, that you are compelled to do, and that you enjoy very much. What's next? Well for many people, they continue to engage in sexual activity. Unfortunately many people feel compelled to hide it, and others are actually disgusted with themselves AFTER they finish because they have been brainwashed into believing that it is evil. So they hide it. And it festers, it escalates. It's like this caged beast that only gets to come out when nobody is looking. These people are way more likely to be turned on by what most of us would consider "abnormal" things, and also often lead to sex with people who can keep the secret; prostitutes, children, corpses. That's why repressing sex is bad, AJK. That's why.
As far as the birth control thing goes, yeah, sex IS naturally for baby-making. And our mouths are naturally for eating and breathing and our hands for helping us gather food. But we humans pride ourselves on taking what we have and putting it to new uses that cause enjoyment. You can use your mouth for song (or oral sex!) your hands for art or sign language, and sex for unity and expression of love, or lust (which is fine) or fun! It's FUN! And as long as you are responsible about it it is a lot of fun. We have feet for walking but we can use them for other things too. Many women appreciate you using a condom because you are taking their concerns seriously.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:33 PM
Couldnt Have Said It Better Myself Theicidal :d
hahaha u know ur wrong... you always use that little saying when you have no facts or any experience to back your theories..
First off on the contrary I know I am right. Secondly, I don't have to have experience in something to know right from wrong.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:35 PM
First off on the contrary I know I am right. Secondly, I don't have to have experience in something to know right from wrong.
oh man.. it must be hard that the only woman in your life is your momma... cuz only a mother could love a boy like you...
God loves me too, and that means more then any human relationship ever could.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:39 PM
hahaha u know ur wrong... you always use that little saying when you have no facts or any experience to back your theories....Oh you dont care what that says... funny... im gonna go look for a "religious" web site... maybe if god puts it out there maybe you wont be such a thick headed dink...
LOL....it's funny cause it's true.
She can try all she wants but she won't find anything that goes against what I said.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:41 PM
She can try all she wants but she won't find anything that goes against what I said.
Um...she actually does that to you fairly frequently. Including just barely.
As far as the birth control thing goes, yeah, sex IS naturally for baby-making. And our mouths are naturally for eating and breathing and our hands for helping us gather food. But we humans pride ourselves on taking what we have and putting it to new uses that cause enjoyment. You can use your mouth for song (or oral sex!) your hands for art or sign language, and sex for unity and expression of love, or lust (which is fine) or fun! It's FUN! And as long as you are responsible about it it is a lot of fun. We have feet for walking but we can use them for other things too. Many women appreciate you using a condom because you are taking their concerns seriously.
New does not always equal good. What about using our hands to strangle another, or to shoot another? Is that good then too? As for your last comment, you are still not loving them for everything they offer.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:43 PM
What do you think about titties, AJK. You ever just wanna grab em? Ever wonder what they feel like?
Um...she actually does that to you fairly frequently. Including just barely.
Well I meant more in terms of religious sites.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:43 PM
New does not always equal good. What about using our hands to strangle another, or to shoot another? Is that good then too? As for your last comment, you are still not loving them for everything they offer.
But knocking them up would be respctful?
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:44 PM
Well I meant more in terms of religious sites.
That's because you only think in the context of your own religion, and it's an awfully small box.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:44 PM
God loves me too, and that means more then any human relationship ever could.
Ok... well then become a preist so you can jerk off to little boys instead of your pornos... God must love those kids too... he must love everysingle child who gets raped... he must love it when a psycho rips a woman limb from limb chopps them up and sticks them in freezers.... i love how god has enough time on his hands to come to you and say "ill help you with ur porn addiction" but doesnt have enough time to help dying and starving children.... THATS wonderful...
You don't understand. If you love someone, you love them for EVERYTHING they offer. You don't just love them for their body, or just for their mind, you love them for every single thing about them, including their ability to create a new life.
Ok... well then become a preist so you can jerk off to little boys instead of your pornos... God must love those kids too... he must love everysingle child who gets raped... he must love it when a psycho rips a woman limb from limb chopps them up and sticks them in freezers.... i love how god has enough time on his hands to come to you and say "ill help you with ur porn addiction" but doesnt have enough time to help dying and starving children.... THATS wonderful...
It's not his fault that children are starving or dying for no reason. We created the mess ourselves by our own selfish ways.
Interesting you mention the limb from limb thing too, because I can assure you he doesn't like how we do that very same thing to little babies in the womb.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:50 PM
NOT using condoms is what got us into this AIDS mess.... so why the fuck not protect ourselves....
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:50 PM
You don't understand. If you love someone, you love them for EVERYTHING they offer. You don't just love them for their body, or just for their mind, you love them for every single thing about them, including their ability to create a new life.
Does that include their butthole? Cuz I'd like to try anal. Is the chocolate pocket included in "everything?"
No what got us into the mess was letting our bodies control us instead of us taking control of our bodies.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:51 PM
Interesting you mention the limb from limb thing too, because I can assure you he doesn't like how we do that very same thing to little babies in the womb.
You can ASSURE us? You know the nature of god that well?
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:51 PM
Interesting you mention the limb from limb thing too, because I can assure you he doesn't like how we do that very same thing to little babies in the womb.
ok im not tasking abortion right now... we are talking about.. why god would offer to help someone with a fucking porn addiction over helping a starving child...... And AJK have you ever been in love?
I have yes, what does that have to do with this?
ok im not tasking abortion right now... we are talking about.. why god would offer to help someone with a fucking porn addiction over helping a starving child......
Again it's not His fault that children are starving. We did that to ourselves.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:53 PM
I have yes, what does that have to do with this?
you cant be truly in love unless you fully give yourself to them... mind, BODY and soul... since youre a virgin... yea...get the picture?
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:53 PM
I have yes, what does that have to do with this?
I don't think she meant Jesus.
You can ASSURE us? You know the nature of god that well?
Yes because abortion is murder.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:54 PM
Again it's not His fault that children are starving. We did that to ourselves.
AND ITS NOT HIS FAULT YOU LIKE "BOTTOMS UP BLONDES" EITHER... WHY WOULD HE HELP YOU OVER A STARVING CHILD.....
you cant be truly in love unless you fully give yourself to them... mind, BODY and soul... since youre a virgin... yea...get the picture?
Not true, you can truly love someone without having sex with them. Sex can sort of cloud what love really is anyway. It makes you feel like you love them, when you really only love them for their body. On top of that if you really really love someone you'll be willing to wait till marriage.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:55 PM
You didn't answer my question...
You don't understand. If you love someone, you love them for EVERYTHING they offer. You don't just love them for their body, or just for their mind, you love them for every single thing about them, including their ability to create a new life.
Does that include their butthole? Cuz I'd like to try anal. Is the chocolate pocket included in "everything?"
AND ITS NOT HIS FAULT YOU LIKE "BOTTOMS UP BLONDES" EITHER... WHY WOULD HE HELP YOU OVER A STARVING CHILD.....
He tries to help us all, but if we don't listen whos fault is that?
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:56 PM
Not true, you can truly love someone without having sex with them. Sex can sort of cloud what love really is anyway. It makes you feel like you love them, when you really only love them for their body. On top of that if you really really love someone you'll be willing to wait till marriage.
THIS COMING FROM A VIRGIN
So? As I said before I don't have to be experienced in something to know right from wrong.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:57 PM
He tries to help us all, but if we don't listen whos fault is that?
im sure he does... you know what ive said it before ... instead of resting on the 7th day he should have spent that day making sure we didnt have to suffer like so many of us do....
He doesn't want us to suffer, we choose to suffer in a lot of cases. A lot of the problems we have in the world were problems that we brought upon ourselves.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 09:59 PM
So? As I said before I don't have to be experienced in something to know right from wrong.
not true... explain how children find out whats right and wrong... its not always an instinct... they have to learn from somewhere.... you learned from a book i learned from living it... see the diffrence... i can give you first hand knowledge and you can only give me secondary...
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 09:59 PM
im sure he does... you know what ive said it before ... instead of resting on the 7th day he should have spent that day making sure we didnt have to suffer like so many of us do....
Yeah, what a lazy bitch god is!
Well children either experience it or are told.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 10:02 PM
He doesn't want us to suffer, we choose to suffer in a lot of cases. A lot of the problems we have in the world were problems that we brought upon ourselves.
i dont think i should be blamed because some bitch god created had a flaw and ate a friggin apple...
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 10:02 PM
Man how many times you gonna make me type this:
You don't understand. If you love someone, you love them for EVERYTHING they offer. You don't just love them for their body, or just for their mind, you love them for every single thing about them, including their ability to create a new life.
Does that include their butthole? Cuz I'd like to try anal. Is the chocolate pocket included in "everything?"
There are certain ways we can abuse our sexuality, anal sex would be one of them.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 10:04 PM
There are certain ways we can abuse our sexuality, anal sex would be one of them.
But if you don't love em in the butt then you aren't loving everything about them.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 10:05 PM
But if you don't love em in the butt then you aren't loving everything about them.
hun, i get that you like corn hole lovins ok....lol FREAK
But see that's the wrong way to do things. Sex should be left for the front, not the back.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 10:08 PM
But see that's the wrong way to do things. Sex should be left for the front, not the back.
why? what about the mouth.
yea_thats_right1
02-10-2007, 10:08 PM
But see that's the wrong way to do things. Sex should be left for the front, not the back.
you know what... this may be the ONLY time i will ever agree with you... soak it up man :D
Wow, I must say I am surprised at that.
why? what about the mouth.
That's a little different, french kissing or what have you isn't the same as having sex.
theicidal maniac
02-10-2007, 10:14 PM
That's a little different, french kissing or what have you isn't the same as having sex.
I'm referring to ORAL SEX
MrJim
02-10-2007, 10:27 PM
Oh my God, it's like you're explaining the birds and bees to a 5-year-old... (bangs head on wall repeatedly)
General Septem
02-11-2007, 12:44 AM
How did the thread turn into this? What even is this now? O_o
MrJim
02-11-2007, 12:51 AM
(in response to g.s.)
- A suggestion that better parenting could eliminate abortion by teaching their kids not be idiots.
- ajk says no to the vagina and maybe yes to the cock.
- theicidal maniac opposes the parenting idea due to his love for ravaging dimestore hooker pussy.
- the thread disproves evolution by devolving more and more...
General Septem
02-11-2007, 01:12 AM
Ah. Sounds to me that theicidal maniac never had too good of a relationship with his parents, and/or believes the teaching of children should be left primarily to school, daycare, and television.
Kind of like how Ingsoc forbade anyone to have children of their own, but could only have children for the party. Maybe Orwell really could predict the future.
MrJim
02-11-2007, 01:17 AM
Ah. Sounds to me that theicidal maniac never had too good of a relationship with his parents, and/or believes the teaching of children should be left primarily to school, daycare, and television.
Kind of like how Ingsoc forbade anyone to have children of their own, but could only have children for the party. Maybe Orwell really could predict the future.
The whole post, really, was more of a joke than a statement about any of them.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 02:05 AM
Not true, you can truly love someone without having sex with them. Sex can sort of cloud what love really is anyway. It makes you feel like you love them, when you really only love them for their body. On top of that if you really really love someone you'll be willing to wait till marriage.
Oi, virgin boy, take it from someone who has had sex. If I have sex with someone, it means I trust them enough with my body. Does that mean I dont really love them?
something
02-11-2007, 02:46 AM
Talking about animals as a good example in the discussion about abstinence, isn't really the same thing. But don't forget that they hav dated the first actual marrige to around 10 000 years ago, and humans have existed in over 40 000 years, so if we had no sex before our first marrige, would we never be able to come up with marrige. So either you like it or not, ajk, we had sex before marrige :D
Oi, virgin boy, take it from someone who has had sex. If I have sex with someone, it means I trust them enough with my body. Does that mean I dont really love them?
If you trust them enough with your body, then there's no need for a condom then is there?
theicidal maniac
02-11-2007, 04:45 AM
If you trust them enough with your body, then there's no need for a condom then is there?
Well if you aren't ready for kids, and you know your partner isn't either, then you will respect eachothers wishes.
Or if you try to do a moneyshot (that's a facial jizzing, AJK) and it turns out that she doesn't dig that, you may be asked to wear a condom for a while.
My point is that if you say you trust them with your body, and then use a condom to protect them from that same body you say you trust them with, you're contradicting yourself. You're saying you trust them, when in fact you really don't.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 02:22 PM
My point is that if you say you trust them with your body, and then use a condom to protect them from that same body you say you trust them with, you're contradicting yourself. You're saying you trust them, when in fact you really don't.
Its funny how you think you know what I feel over the internet you little shit.
I am using a condom because I want to protect them and myself against things that would be uncontrolable otherwise such as STDs and Pregnancy. Its not because I dont trust them, its because I would rather we both be safer than sorry.
Dont give me lip about sex until you have tried it yourself virgin boy.
General Septem
02-11-2007, 02:28 PM
I would rather we both be safer than sorry.
Well that defines a lack of trust. And it's something you wouldn't have to worry about if you didn't sleep around.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 02:42 PM
Well that defines a lack of trust. And it's something you wouldn't have to worry about if you didn't sleep around.
Hey, are you calling me promiscuous? Since when is three people within 2.5 years promiscuous? Jeez, just because you cant get any doesnt me you have to take it out on me. :D
General Septem
02-11-2007, 02:50 PM
Hey, are you calling me promiscuous? Since when is three people within 2.5 years promiscuous? Jeez, just because you cant get any doesnt me you have to take it out on me. :D
Compared to one person in 60 years, I'd say it's pretty damn promiscuous. Anyone can keep a girl happy for a year. It takes a true artist to keep a woman happy for a lifetime. :D
starry123nights
02-11-2007, 03:03 PM
Anyone can keep a girl happy for a year. It takes a true artist to keep a woman happy for a lifetime. :D
I'm liking this. Sounds like something my husband would say. I gotta show him this one.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 03:11 PM
Compared to one person in 60 years, I'd say it's pretty damn promiscuous. Anyone can keep a girl happy for a year. It takes a true artist to keep a woman happy for a lifetime. :D
Well, I guess im a bit promiscuous then lol :D
yea_thats_right1
02-11-2007, 03:34 PM
ok AJK heres something else i thought of while i was out today.... If we are gods children.. he should be responsible for what he created.... JUST as WE are responsible for our childrens actions... if they do somthing wrong its because there is a flaw in our ability to teach them right from wrong. gos created us so he should be responsible. So maybe god is a shitty parent and thats why AJK has a porno addiction and ausi is a whore (joking dear friend! well.. kinda:D) and I had sex before i was married.... god isnt doing his job... he should give up parental rights... or come down here himself (if hes real) and teach us instead of leaving a stupid book for us to read and fear.
yea_thats_right1
02-11-2007, 03:43 PM
^^^ that makes more sence than just saying wrong is wrong.... think about it here... one being has the power to help us out and he just sits back... noone has heard anything from god in over how many years???? Where the fuck is he? Oh thats right hes at AJKs bedside telling him "ill help you with ur porn addiction" i call that unregulated, fresh and smelly BULLSHIT
^^^ that makes more sence than just saying wrong is wrong.... think about it here... one being has the power to help us out and he just sits back... noone has heard anything from god in over how many years????
That's not true. There are plenty of people who have heard from or felt the presence of God in their midst. You either choose to not believe them, or you haven't heard about their story. In either case, it doesn't change the fact that these things happened.
If we are gods children.. he should be responsible for what he created.... JUST as WE are responsible for our childrens actions... if they do somthing wrong its because there is a flaw in our ability to teach them right from wrong. gos created us so he should be responsible.
Again that is not true. Reason being a parent can do anything he or she wants to teach their child right from wrong, but does that mean they are always going to do what is right? Of course not. Same thing applies with God. He can try and instruct us as to right and wrong, but it doesn't neccessarily mean everyone is going to follow that.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 04:15 PM
Again that is not true. Reason being a parent can do anything he or she wants to teach their child right from wrong, but does that mean they are always going to do what is right? Of course not. Same thing applies with God. He can try and instruct us as to right and wrong, but it doesn't neccessarily mean everyone is going to follow that.
But its not like god has actually done anything. He hasnt sent us to our rooms, or taken away priveliges. Face it, god is a shitty parent.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 04:16 PM
and ausi is a whore (joking dear friend! well.. kinda:D)
*Gasp* Im offended. :D
But its not like god has actually done anything. He hasnt sent us to our rooms, or taken away priveliges. Face it, god is a shitty parent.
Is he now? Do the choices we make not effect us in one way or another? If we make a bad choice we pay the price for that choice do we not?
Also consider this, when we get older and are no longer with our parents we become in control of our own fate, so if we screw up then our parents can't punish us. Are they bad parents too then?
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 04:29 PM
Is he now? Do the choices we make not effect us in one way or another? If we make a bad choice we pay the price for that choice do we not?
But people often arent punished for bad things. Murderers get away, things are stolen and never found, etc.
Well think of it this way, whether things are known or not in this life we pay for our sins in the next. Be it in purgatory (before going to Heaven) or in Hell. So one way or the other we do get punished.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 04:55 PM
Well think of it this way, whether things are known or not in this life we pay for our sins in the next. Be it in purgatory (before going to Heaven) or in Hell. So one way or the other we do get punished.
But we dont know this for sure, now do we?
We do, the Bible says as much. As the Bible is the word of God, what it says is indeed true.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 05:17 PM
We do, the Bible says as much. As the Bible is the word of God, what it says is indeed true.
How can it be the word of god when several things in it have been disproven, also it is frequently contradictory.
No they haven't been disproven, you just tend to see it that way.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 05:20 PM
No they haven't been disproven, you just tend to see it that way.
Remember our little discussion on the religion forum about sodom and gomorrah?
Yes but my point still stands, nothing in the Bible has been disproven. Nothing.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 05:26 PM
Yes but my point still stands, nothing in the Bible has been disproven. Nothing.
What about the world revolving around the sun.
Get over yourself. Science has disproven the great flood and the tower of Babel myth.
General Septem
02-11-2007, 06:45 PM
JUST as WE are responsible for our childrens actions...
We are not responsible for our children's actions after they reach a certain age. And we are not culpable for our children's actions even before then. Who is at fault if your six-year-old kills someone? Maybe you, but maybe not.
My parents are not responsible for my actions and I consider it offensive if anyone thinks of me as anyone's kid. Not that I'm not proud to be my father's son, but people need to know me for who I am.
who897
02-11-2007, 08:54 PM
If your child dies, does this mean you should eat it so that you can now become on with your child? Metaphorically speaking of course...or am I :D
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 12:04 AM
Yes but my point still stands, nothing in the Bible has been disproven. Nothing.
That's absolutely not true. Pretty much the entire old testament has been disproved by geologists and archaeologists.
twisted_screams
02-13-2007, 08:35 AM
Well if you can't afford kids, then there's a little something called Natural Family Planning. You yourself know when you are most fertile, so based off that you could time when you have sex so that it's not done at that time.
As for why I say no to both, because simply they are both wrong.
Natural Family planning is bullshit because its not even 75% predictiable for most women for instance me some times i will go a full 28 days sometimes i am a week early sometimes i am two weeks late. And that will throw off when i am fertile or not. At this point i think you just need to sit quiet on what your opinions are of women because you don't understand the mental or physical aspects of women at all.
General Septem
02-13-2007, 10:53 AM
RE: That's absolutely not true. Pretty much the entire old testament has been disproved by geologists and archaeologists.
Example?
theicidal maniac
02-13-2007, 07:34 PM
RE: That's absolutely not true. Pretty much the entire old testament has been disproved by geologists and archaeologists.
Example?
Here's an excellent starting point. I found this article a few months ago in "The Best American Science and Nature Writing," which is a collection of essays from the most respected scientists of our day, and every claim made in those books is thoroughly and rigorously checked out. You can find this information in many other places but this is the best compilation I have seen to date...You'll find more DETAIL elsewhere, but not such a wide variety.
http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/False_Testament_%28Harpers%29.htm
something
02-14-2007, 11:01 AM
Here's an excellent starting point. I found this article a few months ago in "The Best American Science and Nature Writing," which is a collection of essays from the most respected scientists of our day, and every claim made in those books is thoroughly and rigorously checked out. You can find this information in many other places but this is the best compilation I have seen to date...You'll find more DETAIL elsewhere, but not such a wide variety.
http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/False_Testament_%28Harpers%29.htm
Yeah, but what serius person can belive that all thoose things actually happend. It can't be really fresh people that belive that.
theicidal maniac
02-15-2007, 12:01 PM
Yeah, but what serius person can belive that all thoose things actually happend. It can't be really fresh people that belive that.
What serious person can believe that WHAT things actually happend? The bible things? I dunno, millions, believe those things to be literally true, despite strong evidence to the contrary and NO evidence for support.
Ausinus
02-15-2007, 05:01 PM
RE: That's absolutely not true. Pretty much the entire old testament has been disproved by geologists and archaeologists.
Example?
Le Great Flood.
General Septem
02-15-2007, 09:23 PM
Le Great Flood.
That hasn't been disproved. Keep in mind the flood was probably localized to the Mesopotamian plain.
Ausinus
02-16-2007, 02:56 AM
That hasn't been disproved. Keep in mind the flood was probably localized to the Mesopotamian plain.
I meant the Great Flood as in a global flood which covered the entire Earth. That has been disproven.
General Septem
02-16-2007, 11:22 AM
I meant the Great Flood as in a global flood which covered the entire Earth. That has been disproven.
It was never expressed, implied, nor believed that the Great Flood covered the entire globe. This theory was a later development which resulted from mistranslations to the English language and other languages. We can surmise this by Peter's statement that "the world /of that time/ was deluged and destroyed". God's /judgment/ was still global because this was the only area that people even inhabited at the time.
I suggest reading this:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/c-local.htm
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gflood.htm
As you can see, my beliefs do not contradict scientific proof, and when someone comes in and tries to say the flood covered the entire planet, I will be right by your side explaining why their assertion is false.
something
02-16-2007, 12:49 PM
It was never expressed, implied, nor believed that the Great Flood covered the entire globe. This theory was a later development which resulted from mistranslations to the English language and other languages. We can surmise this by Peter's statement that "the world /of that time/ was deluged and destroyed". God's /judgment/ was still global because this was the only area that people even inhabited at the time.
I suggest reading this:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/c-local.htm
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gflood.htm
As you can see, my beliefs do not contradict scientific proof, and when someone comes in and tries to say the flood covered the entire planet, I will be right by your side explaining why their assertion is false.
That's exatly what I said. A grea flooding from eufrat or tigris or something. The point is that the bible said the entire world, and that doesn't have to be the same as the one that the bible mentions.
something
02-16-2007, 01:04 PM
BTW check this out http://bible.istheshit.net/
Who needs proof. We've got faith! Yeeeha!!
Ausinus
02-16-2007, 07:00 PM
Who needs proof. We've got faith! Yeeeha!!
Sigh, its this kind of talk that popularised the idea of the geocentric theory.
General Septem
02-16-2007, 07:19 PM
The point is that the bible said the entire world,
Well no, my point is that the Bible didn't say that. It said the whole land. A localized flood wouldn't be inconsistent with what the Bible says. In fact, it would fit in better because the size of the ark would be just right for allowing the amount of animals of the land into it.
Natural Family planning is bullshit because its not even 75% predictiable for most women for instance me some times i will go a full 28 days sometimes i am a week early sometimes i am two weeks late. And that will throw off when i am fertile or not. At this point i think you just need to sit quiet on what your opinions are of women because you don't understand the mental or physical aspects of women at all.
I don't have to to know what's right and what isn't.
something
02-17-2007, 02:28 AM
Well no, my point is that the Bible didn't say that. It said the whole land. A localized flood wouldn't be inconsistent with what the Bible says. In fact, it would fit in better because the size of the ark would be just right for allowing the amount of animals of the land into it.
If it just was mesopotamia, would the ark found land again after just a few weeks.
hitekredneck
02-17-2007, 07:11 AM
how many of you have kids?....and how do you discipline them?
i have 5....2 left in the house, and i don't have to do much for discipline, as i whooped their asses as young as 18 mo.s not hard, mind you...spanking isn't so much for the pain as it is for getting their attention...and they're pretty fuckin great kids and adults now ;)
twisted_screams
02-17-2007, 07:44 AM
If you mean me i have 5 boys 18,17,15,14,12 and mine are basically good kids but i am really really strict. My kids not only have to tell me where they are going who they will be with but if they are at a friends house i want the address and telephone number. As far as just running around with friends at the park or something i also have to know about where they are and if they move from there i get a phone call. The oldest is in Penn state so i really don't keep tabs on him to much except i make him call me when hes been out drinking so i can drive him home because i don't believe in drinking and driving. Other then that i am a pretty laid back mom but yes when my kids where young they got spankings.
AS far as now they have chores Saturday they help clean the house and daily they do dishes trash and sweep up the kitchen and dinning room floors.
I also make my kids shovel the snow off our elderly neighbors pavements in the winter to teach them to do for others.
but this is just me.
Sigh, its this kind of talk that popularised the idea of the geocentric theory.
I think you meant to say that the idea is egocentric. :)
I'm just pulling your strings Ausinus. I could really care less about thinking too much of who, where, why, and for what. hehehe Or even what they believe. The idea is to work on oneself to become a good example for the younger generation. If you know what I mean... :)
theicidal maniac
02-17-2007, 02:17 PM
Who needs proof. We've got faith! Yeeeha!!
This is basically no different than my old roommate, Clint,and his view:
"Who needs reality, I have Dungeons & Dragons."
Why live a complete fantasy when you have the power to make great things of your own ACTUAL life?
theicidal maniac
02-17-2007, 03:25 PM
Well no, my point is that the Bible didn't say that. It said the whole land. A localized flood wouldn't be inconsistent with what the Bible says. In fact, it would fit in better because the size of the ark would be just right for allowing the amount of animals of the land into it.
There are at least millions, possibly billions, of insect species alone.
Plus a flood of that magnitude would be inconsistent with what the geological data and fossil record says, so, yeah. Hooray for empirical evidence.
And I see it coming AJK, so let me pre-empt your attack with this: the "ark" that they "found" and showed on CBS a few years back turned out to be a hoax, and so did every other ark claim that has ever been put forth.
MrJim
02-17-2007, 04:31 PM
There are at least millions, possibly billions, of insect species alone.
Plus a flood of that magnitude would be inconsistent with what the geological data and fossil record says, so, yeah. Hooray for empirical evidence.
And I see it coming AJK, so let me pre-empt your attack with this: the "ark" that they "found" and showed on CBS a few years back turned out to be a hoax, and so did every other ark claim that has ever been put forth.
Well you missed when Indiana Jones found that chest, that's proof for sure.
hitekredneck
02-17-2007, 06:34 PM
Well you missed when Indiana Jones found that chest, that's proof for sure.
oh shit...forgot about that ark of the covenent thang...didn't that hold the original stone tablets?... :D
General Septem
02-17-2007, 06:36 PM
There are at least millions, possibly billions, of insect species alone.
Plus a flood of that magnitude would be inconsistent with what the geological data and fossil record says, so, yeah. Hooray for empirical evidence.
Are you agreeing with me or arguing? Because that's what I just said, the Flood in the Bible was probably not global and probably was never meant to be.
theicidal maniac
02-17-2007, 07:51 PM
oh shit...forgot about that ark of the covenent thang...didn't that hold the original stone tablets?... :D
Yes that's correct. The stone tablets upon which god wrote (in Hebrew, fortunately for Moses) the 15 commandments. Clumsy Moses DROPPED one of the tablets though, and we ended up with only 10 commandments....er sumthin like that.
conspiracy
02-17-2007, 09:27 PM
Instead of debating abortion, shouldn't we instead be focused on raising our kids not to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS? Responsibility comes as a result of proper guidance. If you eliminate the stupidity that puts someone in the position to go "Omigod, I'm a stupid whore about to have a daughter with no daddy what do i do", wouldn't we be free from the abortion debate in many cases? Just a thought.
AMEN to that. Believe it or not that is the most logic I've heard today. KUDOS
General Septem
02-17-2007, 09:31 PM
Yes that's correct. The stone tablets upon which god wrote (in Hebrew, fortunately for Moses) the 15 commandments. Clumsy Moses DROPPED one of the tablets though, and we ended up with only 10 commandments....er sumthin like that.
I wonder what the other five were?
Thou shalt seek out all-female alien planets.
Thou shalt carry violet lightsabers, for they are the ones that say "bad motherfucker" on them.
Thou shalt eat the herb of the field.
:D
theicidal maniac
02-17-2007, 09:41 PM
I wonder what the other five were?
Thou shalt seek out all-female alien planets.
Thou shalt carry violet lightsabers, for they are the ones that say "bad motherfucker" on them.
Thou shalt eat the herb of the field.
:D
Yeah, I think so...
beelzebub
02-18-2007, 01:38 PM
Are you agreeing with me or arguing? Because that's what I just said, the Flood in the Bible was probably not global and probably was never meant to be.
GS I think it would be "...the Flood in the Bible was not global..."
Its absurd to think of the planet completely flooded. Theists who purport such a claim are idiots.
Nobody
02-18-2007, 04:09 PM
I wonder what the other five were?
Thou shalt eat the herb of the field.
:D....is that herb of the field hemp by chance?
General Septem
02-18-2007, 04:14 PM
....is that herb of the field hemp by chance?
Naturally. :D
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