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something
02-11-2007, 12:14 PM
I just heard on the news, that Portugal is going to hold an election about making abortions legalized, since the illegal abortions is such a problem for the people, and several pro-lifers are going to vote yes. Not because they want abortions legalized, but to stop the illegal abortions, that sometimes are so bad that womens almost die because of them. Couldn't that be a reason to legalize em?
No, there is no excuse to legalize abortion. None whatsoever. Furthermore if someone is pro life and then votes to legalize abortion, then they really aren't pro life. If they were they wouldn't want legalize it for any reason.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 02:19 PM
No, there is no excuse to legalize abortion. None whatsoever. Furthermore if someone is pro life and then votes to legalize abortion, then they really aren't pro life. If they were they wouldn't want legalize it for any reason.
Just like if someone was really christian, they wouldnt wear mixed fibre garments.
yea_thats_right1
02-11-2007, 03:35 PM
Just like if someone was really christian, they wouldnt wear mixed fibre garments.
:D ...
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 04:17 PM
Come again?
The bible forbids the wearing of mixed fibre garments.
General Septem
02-11-2007, 11:27 PM
Furthermore if someone is pro life and then votes to legalize abortion, then they really aren't pro life.
Not necessarily now. If legalizing it led to fewer deaths (preborn or otherwise), it can be said to have been a pro-life decision.
See the whole situation's real fucked up, and very sensitive. The solution may seem to be to make it illegal, but it may cause more harm than good all the way around, and if a woman gets an illegal abortion and dies from it, well it's kind of like the death penalty, except this death penalty is administered regardless of mitigating circumstances, like if the mother had no choice (like if she were forced to by her nigger boyfriend at knife point or something).
The solution to abortion begins with it being universally accepted that it is in fact a human being that you are killing. Then from there we can have more crisis pregnancy centers and counseling for those in need.
Not necessarily now. If legalizing it led to fewer deaths (preborn or otherwise), it can be said to have been a pro-life decision.
Do you really think legalizing it is going to cause less deaths? If anything it would cause more (especially in terms of the unborn).
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:32 PM
The solution to abortion begins with addressing the problem of unprotected sex itself. More effective contraceptives and better sex education.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:33 PM
Do you really think legalizing it is going to cause less deaths? If anything it would cause more (especially in terms of the unborn).
Nope. Not really. 4 to abortion to 525 in childbirth since abortion was legalised.
I don't mean just that, I mean all the unborn that die before they even can exist.
The solution to abortion begins with addressing the problem of unprotected sex itself. More effective contraceptives and better sex education.
No it comes to our own responsibility. We have to stop letting our bodies control us. If we do that then there will be less unwanted children.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:43 PM
I don't mean just that, I mean all the unborn that die before they even can exist.
Do I look like I care about the unborn when compared to a woman? No.
So they dont exist prior to birth?
You may not care, but they are still dying and that counts just as much as any other death. I didn't mean it that way BTW, I mean that they die before they are born into the world.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:45 PM
No it comes to our own responsibility. We have to stop letting our bodies control us. If we do that then there will less unwanted children.
Abstinence doesnt wooooorkkk for the last time. You cannot expect a normal teenager to supress one of their most powerful bodily instincts effectivley. Plus it is a restriction of freedom. Best just to give them a condom, tell them how to use it correctly and let them go at it, all the while trying to develop a better contraceptive.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:46 PM
You may not care, but they are still dying and that counts just as much as any other death. I didn't mean it that way BTW, I mean that they die before they are born into the world.
Aww, touching story. Tell it to someone who doesnt respect the right of a woman to bodily autonomy.
Yes it does, it can work if you let it work. You've just been brainwashed into thinking that it's impossible, as has our culture as a whole.
Aww, touching story. Tell it to someone who doesnt respect the right of a woman to bodily autonomy.
Look, every single life is just as important as another life. We are all created equal (regardless of our flaws we are still equal), and one life can not be taken away to protect another outside of self defense (which again this is not).
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:49 PM
Yes it does, it can work if you let it work. You've just been brainwashed into thinking that it's impossible, as has our culture as a whole.
Or more correctly, you have been brainwashed into thinking it does. Since the first civilisations, abstinence has never worked.
You arent exactly a shining example of abstinence yourself.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:50 PM
Look, every single life is just as important as another life. We are all created equal (regardless of our flaws we are still equal), and one life can not be taken away to protect another outside of self defense (which again this is not).
So you would prefer to save a foetus over a person who has given all of their money to the poor, and has not one thought about themselves?
Or more correctly, you have been brainwashed into thinking it does. Since the first civilisations, abstinence has never worked.
You arent exactly a shining example of abstinence yourself.
I'm not perfect, I will be the first to admit that. But it doesn't mean it can't work, there are people out there that made it into married life as a virgin. It's only as impossible as you make it out to be. You have to believe you can do it before you do it. If you think it's impossible then it is. All boils down to perception.
If it came to that yes, because that child deserves life just as much as anyone else does.
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:54 PM
I'm not perfect, I will be the first to admit that. But it doesn't mean it can't work, there are people out there that made it into married life as a virgin. It's only as impossible as you make it out to be. You have to believe you can do it before you do it. If you think it's impossible then it is. All boils down to perception.
Listen closely. I can safely say that not one average person on the planet has never had a wank. This is the way it has always been.
Plus, the whole marriage thing confuses me, what makes de jure marriages so much more capable of providing for a child?
Ausinus
02-11-2007, 11:54 PM
If it came to that yes, because that child deserves life just as much as anyone else does.
Or perhaps because your views are being warped by your woman hating father. I would value that person rather than a foetus.
Listen closely. I can safely say that not one average person on the planet has never had a wank. This is the way it has always been.
Plus, the whole marriage thing confuses me, what makes de jure marriages so much more capable of providing for a child?
Well for one thing what if the mom and dad break up? Then the child sees one parent less.
Or perhaps because your views are being warped by your woman hating father. I would value that person rather than a foetus.
Again EVERY LIFE IS EQUAL. Doesn't matter how it got there, it's life and deserves respect.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 12:31 AM
Well for one thing what if the mom and dad break up? Then the child sees one parent less.
And? Is that why single parenting is illegal?
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 12:32 AM
Again EVERY LIFE IS EQUAL. Doesn't matter how it got there, it's life and deserves respect.
Well, yeah, except when said life takes away a person's right to bodily autonomy.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 01:07 AM
No, there is no excuse to legalize abortion. None whatsoever. Furthermore if someone is pro life and then votes to legalize abortion, then they really aren't pro life. If they were they wouldn't want legalize it for any reason.
Wait a minute, wait a goddamn minute. You are supposedly against abortion because it kills the baby, but you also would be against legalizing abortion even though it will save the WOMAN's life? You don't really care about human life at all. You care about dogma and being completely ignorant to the social impact of the superstitions that you support.
No, that's wrong. We cannot murder just because said person inconvenices us. We simply cannot do it.
Wait a minute, wait a goddamn minute. You are supposedly against abortion because it kills the baby, but you also would be against legalizing abortion even though it will save the WOMAN's life? You don't really care about human life at all.
Yes I do, which is exactly why abortion should not be legalized. We are legalizing murder, plain and simple.
And? Is that why single parenting is illegal?
I'm not saying that, but it makes hard on the child to grow up in that type of situation. It's better for them to grow up with a mommy and a daddy, not just one or the other.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 01:10 AM
Yes I do, which is exactly why abortion should not be legalized. We are legalizing murder, plain and simple.
Legalizing what YOU call murder while simultaneously denying a woman to medical attention that can save HER life. If someone is gonna die either way, wouldn't it be better that only ONE life ends instead of two?
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:11 AM
I'm not saying that, but it makes hard on the child to grow up in that type of situation. It's better for them to grow up with a mommy and a daddy, not just one or the other.
Its better for them to grow up with two ADULTS. But that said, marriage is just a contract.
We cannot take one life for the sake of the other. The ends do not justify the means. And it is murder. Like or not it is murder.
Its better for them to grow up with two ADULTS.
No not just two adults, man and woman. Otherwise the child's whole idea of marriage and family gets confused.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 01:13 AM
We cannot take one life for the sake of the other. The ends do not justify the means. And it is murder. Like or not it is murder.
What?? Try English... So it's ok that the woman dies then, in vain?
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:13 AM
We cannot take one life for the sake of the other. The ends do not justify the means. And it is murder. Like or not it is murder.
Its more like abortion, oh wait, it IS abortion. Its in a class of its own.
I bet you arent in support of terminating ectopic pregnancies either.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 01:13 AM
No not just two adults, man and woman. Otherwise the child's whole idea of marriage and family gets confused.
So you are saying that marriage is important because it gives a child a sense of what a marriage should be??? LOL...what circular logic.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:14 AM
No not just two adults, man and woman. Otherwise the child's whole idea of marriage and family gets confused.
Nope. Two adults is fine.
Confused? They didnt have a preconcieved idea of marriage in the first place.
Its more like abortion, oh wait, it IS abortion. Its in a class of its own.
That's because we classified it as such. But just because we call it abortion, does not mean it isn't murder, because it still is.
Nope. Two adults is fine.
Confused? They didnt have a preconcieved idea of marriage in the first place.
Marriage is for man and woman and man and woman only. Was started that way, therefore so it shall be.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:16 AM
That's because we classified it as such. But just because we call it abortion, does not mean it isn't murder, because it still is.
Prove it then. If it is so apparent, then prove that it is murder. Define murder.
Taking the life of another willfully.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:17 AM
Marriage is for man and woman and man and woman only. Was started that way, therefore so it shall be.
News flash: society evolves.
Besides, there is no reason that gay marriage is wrong. Except for some drivel in a nearly two thousand year old claptrap book.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:17 AM
Taking the life of another willfully.
Another what?
In this way it has actually regressed. Besides that, when a child is raised with two mom's or two dad's they get too much of one side of things. They either get too feminine a side, or too masculine. A child needs a good balance of each.
Another what?
Another life, another person.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:19 AM
In this way it has actually regressed. Besides that, when a child is raised with two mom's or two dad's they get too much of one side of things. They either get too feminine a side, or too masculine. A child needs a good balance of each.
This is wrong, why? Or can you actually prove this happens?
Besides, there is no reason that gay marriage is wrong. Except for some drivel in a nearly two thousand year old claptrap book.
Yes there is, it is not natural. Man and woman were created for a reason.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 01:19 AM
In this way it has actually regressed. Besides that, when a child is raised with two mom's or two dad's they get too much of one side of things. They either get too feminine a side, or too masculine. A child needs a good balance of each.
Only if you want them to understand the gender roles of marriage...otherwise it's quite unimportant. There are cultures who are without marriage and they do just fine.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:20 AM
Another life, another person.
But you have yet to prove foeti are people.
Don't you think not having one side of things is going to impact how they see the world at large though, or how they present themselves even.
But you have yet to prove foeti are people.
I've tried to tell you time and time again that they are, not my fault if you won't listen.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 01:21 AM
Don't you think not having one side of things is going to impact how they see the world at large though, or how they present themselves even.
One side of what? Of a marriage? What if they don't HAVE marriage? Then it impacts very little.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:21 AM
Yes there is, it is not natural. Man and woman were created for a reason.
Yes, for variation in reproduction. It ends there.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:22 AM
I've tried to tell you time and time again that they are, not my fault if you won't listen.
But it is your fault your arguments dont define personhood, or define it in a refutable way.
No, why do you think women can get pregnant through a guy and not another girl? It's common sense.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:22 AM
Don't you think not having one side of things is going to impact how they see the world at large though, or how they present themselves even.
Why is this a problem? I say again, prove this happens.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:23 AM
No, why do you think women can get pregnant through a guy and not another girl? It's common sense.
I say again, variation in reproduction. Thats the only reason for gender diffrentiation.
But it is your fault your arguments dont define personhood, or define it in a refutable way.
No if gay marriage were how things intended to be they would be able to have children the same way a man and a woman do. But they don't, therefore it is unnatural.
Why is this a problem? I say again, prove this happens.
Why is it a problem, because then you get someone who becomes overly masculine or overly feminine.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:25 AM
No if gay marriage were how things intended to be they would be able to have children the same way a man and a woman do. But they don't, therefore it is unnatural.
Well the thing is, marriage and reproduction have little to do with each other. Marriage is an invented concept.
Plus how do you explain the homosexuality that occurs in nature? Clearly because some people are homosexual it proves that is is a natural occurance.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:26 AM
Why is it a problem, because then you get someone who becomes overly masculine or overly feminine.
I say again: WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM?
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 01:28 AM
I say again: WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM?
Because he thinks there is this Archetype of what humans should be, and he thinks it's the way God intended. What he doesn't understand is that humans haven't always been the way they are now. There is no human bauplane.
Yeah cause changed we changed the rules. Doesn't mean we are correct in doing so however.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 01:35 AM
Yeah cause changed we changed the rules. Doesn't mean we are correct in doing so however.
Changed what rules? there are no "rules", just your bigotry.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 01:37 AM
What "rules" are you talking about? Are you sleep-typing again? I was talking about how the fossil record proves that we have evolved into today's humans.
I'm talking about God's rules. I don't care if you believe in Him or you don't, we still have a responsibility to heed to those rules. If you don't you will be held accountable whether you like it or you don't.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 02:20 AM
I'm talking about God's rules. I don't care if you believe in Him or you don't, we still have a responsibility to heed to those rules. If you don't you will be held accountable whether you like it or you don't.
Once again, no proof no dice. You're in the real world, so you play by our rules whether you like it or not.
In this world maybe, but in next you will meet the creator who you don't think exists, just as I will. As for proof, there is plenty. Lots of testimony for starters, even if you don't want to believe them.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 02:38 AM
In this world maybe, but in next you will meet the creator who you don't think exists, just as I will. As for proof, there is plenty. Lots of testimony for starters, even if you don't want to believe them.
I refuse to accept mere testimony in this matter. I want empirical evidence.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 02:39 AM
I'm talking about God's rules. I don't care if you believe in Him or you don't, we still have a responsibility to heed to those rules. If you don't you will be held accountable whether you like it or you don't.
So even if I don't believe in your god and his rules, I still have to live by them? How does that make sense?
What if a child hates his parents and their rules? Does that mean they don't have to abide by them either?
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 02:46 AM
What if a child hates his parents and their rules? Does that mean they don't have to abide by them either?
What if there is no evidence that the child's parent exists?
There's been all kinds of evidence, but you're so blinded you can't see it.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 02:49 AM
There's been all kinds of evidence, but you're so blinded you can't see it.
The only "evidence" has been vague visions and improbable circumstances.
What improbable circumstances are you speaking of?
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 02:52 AM
What improbable circumstances are you speaking of?
Like being saved from a car crash by some mysterious thing.
You never know, things don't just happen by chance. Everything we do, everything that happens has a reason for it. There is no such thing as a coincidence.
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 02:56 AM
You never know, things don't just happen by chance. Everything we do, everything that happens has a reason for it. There is no such thing as a coincidence.
So if two cars left a parking lot at the exact same time on opposite sides of the country, is that not coincidence?
Prove there isnt such a thing as coincidence.
something
02-12-2007, 08:18 AM
In this world maybe, but in next you will meet the creator who you don't think exists, just as I will. As for proof, there is plenty. Lots of testimony for starters, even if you don't want to believe them.
You know, if you're right, will we only completely sure about when we die, but if we are right, we can just have to use our COMMON SENSE, to see that there's no God, whatsoever.
BTW Man I started this thread yesterday, and you alradey posted 9 pages.
General Septem
02-12-2007, 11:16 AM
The solution to abortion begins with addressing the problem of unprotected sex itself. More effective contraceptives and better sex education.
Stop this pointless debate about how to prevent pregnancy. We're talking about preventing abortion, and abstinence and condoms, either way it does nothing for the women who are already pregnant and feel like they're in trouble, and that's the issue that needs to be addressed.
By the way, Ausi, more people abstain than you think.
something
02-12-2007, 01:06 PM
Stop this pointless debate about how to prevent pregnancy. We're talking about preventing abortion, and abstinence and condoms, either way it does nothing for the women who are already pregnant and feel like they're in trouble, and that's the issue that needs to be addressed.
By the way, Ausi, more people abstain than you think.
And how many does actually want to be it? :D
[QUOTE=something;20919]You know, if you're right, will we only completely sure about when we die, but if we are right, we can just have to use our COMMON SENSE, to see that there's no God, whatsoever.
[QUOTE]
Actually the opposite is true. Common sense tells us God does exist.
And how many does actually want to be it? :D
If they didn't want to be it, then why would they be?
Stop this pointless debate about how to prevent pregnancy. We're talking about preventing abortion, and abstinence and condoms, either way it does nothing for the women who are already pregnant and feel like they're in trouble, and that's the issue that needs to be addressed.
True but the less women who are not ready for a baby yet don't get pregnant, the less abortions there would be.
something
02-12-2007, 03:15 PM
If they didn't want to be it, then why would they be?
Forced by their family? Don't want to but think God will punish them? Problems to get laid? A lot of things.
Or maybe they care enough about their future husband or wife to wait for them. How about that? Think about it, how would you feel if your wife waited all her life for that one moment on your wedding night and you didn't?
Ausinus
02-12-2007, 05:25 PM
Or maybe they care enough about their future husband or wife to wait for them. How about that? Think about it, how would you feel if your wife waited all her life for that one moment on your wedding night and you didn't?
Of really? So if you find someone you really like in HS but they are going overseas then you have to marry them before you shag them?
who897
02-12-2007, 06:47 PM
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By the way, Ausi, more people abstain than you think.
Yeah, but most of them not voluntarily :D
General Septem
02-12-2007, 07:36 PM
lol, "I'm a virgin by choice." "Whose choice?" :D
Actually most of the virgins that come to my mind are amazingly beautiful women.
Of really? So if you find someone you really like in HS but they are going overseas then you have to marry them before you shag them?
Sex is not meant to be shared among multiple partners like we do today. It's for marriage and marriage alone. It's a beautiful act, but belongs strictly in marriage. By having it outside of marriage and with multiple partners we destory the sacredness and beauty of the act. It becomes cheapened and abused.
And again I tell you: Mind over body.
yea_thats_right1
02-12-2007, 09:27 PM
adam and eve wernt married...
Well now obviously things were much different then. The earth had to be populated somehow now didn't it? Besides, in a sense they really were. I say that because Eve was created of Adam's flesh, his rib.
General Septem
02-12-2007, 09:45 PM
adam and eve wernt married...
They were married in a sense, but they were also married by God. Plus God hadn't made marriage known to us at that time yet, and God doesn't require the impossible.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 09:46 PM
Well now obviously things were much different then. The earth had to be populated somehow now didn't it? Besides, in a sense they really were. I say that because Eve was created of Adam's flesh, his rib.
Oh. Well OBVIOUSLY!! Yeah, I mean, the rules change constantly to fit AJK's version of pseudo-reality, so OBVIOUSLY things were much different THEN...Say, you are aware that humans EVOLVED, right?
If there are less people on earth (such as then), then of course things have to be a little bit different to suit the time period. Now however, there is no excuse.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 10:02 PM
If there are less people on earth (such as then), then of course things have to be a little bit different to suit the time period. Now however, there is no excuse.
Oh yeah, that TOTALLY makes sense. Except for the part where YOU talked.
So, do you make up these bullshit exceptions in your own head spontaneously, or did someone feed you this swill and you actually ate it up?
Whether you like it or not fact is fact and truth is truth. You need to grow up and learn to deal with it.
theicidal maniac
02-12-2007, 10:31 PM
Whether you like it or not fact is fact and truth is truth. You need to grow up and learn to deal with it.
Yes fact IS fact.. You should look "fact" up. Truth is truth because it can be proved. Sounds like you should re-evaluate your stance.
who897
02-13-2007, 01:19 AM
Sex is not meant to be shared among multiple partners like we do today. It's for marriage and marriage alone. It's a beautiful act, but belongs strictly in marriage. By having it outside of marriage and with multiple partners we destory the sacredness and beauty of the act. It becomes cheapened and abused.
And again I tell you: Mind over body.
As I have learned what this word means here on BS.com what you have said is subjective. Believing sex should be for marriage only that is. I hardly see the difference between a married couple and a one night stand when it come to abortion, it still is a choice that is well defended as it should be!
I'll tell you what the difference is. The difference is if a couple gets pregnant in marriage they would be a lot less likely to have an abortion then if someone got pregnant in a one night stand.
theicidal maniac
02-13-2007, 01:33 AM
The problem with religious people is that they don't want to accept reality, because if they do they'll have to change things themselves. That's why most conservatives in America are religious and vice versa.
The reality is that people DO have unplanned or unwanted pregnancies (married AND unmarried), the reality is that abortion IS an option and IS being performed. You people think that Jesus is gonna come fix it all soon anyway so we can do what we want. Emit greenhouse gasses with impunity, cuz the Earth was put here by god for humans. Go ahead and fight for every single persons right to own a gun, regardless of how many will die, cuz if they die they get to go to heaven or hell and live forever. Oppose HUMAN WELFARE through safe medical practices out of fear that you will invoke the terrible fury of your angry sky-gods.
The end of the world and human life isn't going to come with Christ or Jehovah or Krishna or Allah's return...it's going to come when the believers of those fantasies get paranoid about all the other paranoid fantasies and blow up humanity...or at least what their careless lifestyles and short-sighted, myopic worldview have left of it.
All I will say is simply this: Be prepared for the surprise of a lifetime. You may not believe me now, but one day you will. I only hope for your own sake that you realize the err of ways before it is too late.
Ausinus
02-13-2007, 01:57 AM
All I will say is simply this: Be prepared for the surprise of a lifetime. You may not believe me now, but one day you will. I only hope for your own sake that you realize the err of ways before it is too late.
Blah blah blah, what makes your religion more valid than any other?
Scoff all you want, but when you're face to face with the creator (as we all will be whether you believe it or not), there will be no scoffing. And as for what makes my religion more valid, we are the original religion. As such we have the real truth, while the rest are watered down versions of that truth.
Ausinus
02-13-2007, 02:04 AM
Scoff all you want, but when you're face to face with the creator (as we all will be whether you believe it or not), there will be no scoffing. And as for what makes my religion more valid, we are the original religion. As such we have the real truth, while the rest are watered down versions of that truth.
Oo, oo, I call bullshit. A lot of other religions were here before christianity. What makes you more valid then them? Maybe I should join Buddhism, or Hinduism, or Shinto, or Paganism? Christianity is quite a young religion in the scheme of things.
Not according to the Bible, which is the source of that which is true.
Ausinus
02-13-2007, 02:12 AM
Not according to the Bible, which is the source of that which is true.
The bible is wrong. Paganism and many eastern religions were here many years prior to christianity. Unless you are willing to completely disregard history for a book written that doesnt even mention the far east.
No the Bible is truth, complete and total truth.
Ausinus
02-13-2007, 02:15 AM
No the Bible is truth, complete and total truth.
Prove it.
You would be willing to disregard every branch of science and history for the sake of some piece of trash book that has been disproven in its factuality? You have serious problems.
theicidal maniac
02-13-2007, 02:16 AM
Psst AJK....
God is pretend.
Pass it along.
theicidal maniac
02-13-2007, 02:16 AM
No the Bible is truth, complete and total truth.
What about the part where it said that the earth was flat?
theicidal maniac
02-13-2007, 02:18 AM
No the Bible is truth, complete and total truth.
What about the part where it said that the earth was flat?
Or where it says the the moon emits it's own light.
Or the part where it says that god created the universe in 6 days, when it actually takes several billion years for the light of some far off stars to reach our planet in order for us to see them?
theicidal maniac
02-13-2007, 02:22 AM
Hey AJK...did you know that the bible mentions "evil spirits" 14 times.
8 out of 14 of those times the "evil spirits" were sent by god himself, according to the text.
The other six times they came in the form of sickness and disease.
All of the sickness and disease that appears in the bible is said to have been a curse and an affliction sent from god.
Your god is the cause of all the evil in the world, according to your own bible. So why you bitchin at us?
In regards to the last part, we don't know how long days were in the Bible. Days could have been as long as we know now, or longer, we don't know.
Hey AJK...did you know that the bible mentions "evil spirits" 14 times.
8 out of 14 of those times the "evil spirits" were sent by god himself, according to the text.
The other six times they came in the form of sickness and disease.
All of the sickness and disease that appears in the bible is said to have been a curse and an affliction sent from god.
Your god is the cause of all the evil in the world, according to your own bible. So why you bitchin at us?
In all of those cases the evil was brought on by the people's own mistakes. God didn't want to do it, but he saw that he had no choice but to if they weren't going to heed what he said. The sickness and disease, God uses that to strengthen us, and to teach just how lucky we are.
Ausinus
02-13-2007, 02:24 AM
In regards to the last part, we don't know how long days were in the Bible. Days could have been as long as we know now, or longer, we don't know.
What about the rest then?
Well think about this, if the earth was round wouldn't we always be on an angle then? We'd never be truly upright because the Earth would be constantly moving and us would move with it.
Ausinus
02-13-2007, 02:31 AM
Well think about this, if the earth was round wouldn't we always be on an angle then? We'd never be truly upright because the Earth would be constantly moving and us would move with it.
Oh my god, you arent seriously debating the fact that the earth is round. Lol I know you arent that stupid.
"Up" and "down" are terrestrial concepts that have no real application in 4D space.
What about the law of gravity? Does that not apply all of a sudden?
Ausinus
02-13-2007, 02:35 AM
What about the law of gravity? Does that not apply all of a sudden?
I say again, up and down are terrestrial concepts.
We are being pulled towards the centre of the earth by gravity, which wouldnt be possible with a flat earth. A flat square or circle would eventually just collapse into a sphere due to the gravity of the flat plane acting upon itself.
theicidal maniac
02-13-2007, 02:41 AM
In all of those cases the evil was brought on by the people's own mistakes. God didn't want to do it, but he saw that he had no choice but to if they weren't going to heed what he said. The sickness and disease, God uses that to strengthen us, and to teach just how lucky we are.
Uh no actually, you are just guessing. I know this because a few of those 8 times, god sent the "evil spirits" to his "servants."
"God uses that to strengthen us, and to teach just how lucky we are?"...Or maybe there IS NO GOD AT ALL, and it all just happens naturally, the way science has proven.
Ausinus
02-13-2007, 02:52 AM
Ajk, here is proof the world is spherical. Gravity is a circular force, it applies in all directions. Take a flat sheet of paper and pull the edges towards the centre. What shape do you get; a sphere.
theicidal maniac
02-13-2007, 03:26 AM
Ajk, here is proof the world is spherical. Gravity is a circular force, it applies in all directions. Take a flat sheet of paper and pull the edges towards the centre. What shape do you get; a sphere.
Yeah but didn't you know, Ausi...Gravity is "just a theory."
hitekredneck
02-13-2007, 05:52 AM
Well think about this, if the earth was round wouldn't we always be on an angle then? We'd never be truly upright because the Earth would be constantly moving and us would move with it.
ummm...ajk....ummm...shit...ummm....damnit, man, don't make me lose what respect i do have for ya...oh hell, never mind
yea_thats_right1
02-13-2007, 07:17 AM
Well think about this, if the earth was round wouldn't we always be on an angle then? We'd never be truly upright because the Earth would be constantly moving and us would move with it.
you cannot be freakin serious......im laughing so hard right now i think i might wake the neighbors across the street....im in utter disbelief that you are questioning the fact that the earth is round...wow...
something
02-13-2007, 08:08 AM
This proves my theory. Religion isn't healthy. If it can make someone like AJK think like that, isn't so bad, but sooner or later it will mutate and become a dangerous idea that will infilltrate peoples minds and eat hem from the inside. :D
No but seriusly. That the earth is round and spins around the sun is just a theory. A PROVED thoery.
Ape-Shit
02-13-2007, 08:10 AM
Look Out.......
The Sky is Falling...........!
something
02-13-2007, 08:12 AM
Look Out.......
The Sky is Falling...........!
LMFAO:D:D:D
starry123nights
02-13-2007, 10:12 AM
damn it has been one hilarious morning on bullshit.com. I can't believe some of these post.
something
02-13-2007, 11:41 AM
damn it has been one hilarious morning on bullshit.com. I can't believe some of these post.
Morning? Ohyea, different continents :D
who897
02-13-2007, 06:58 PM
Morning? Ohyea, different continents :D
Are you sure we aren't on the same continent as you, which now that I'm dumber for reading someone say the world is flat I might believe you are next door.
If you take a piece of paper throw salt or something on top and start rotating it really quick like, what happens? Man, it must be an omnipotent being keeping the salt there because gravity doesn't exist on a flat plane. Or does it....wooo man told you I was dumber for reading that shit.
something
02-14-2007, 01:07 AM
Portugal has know legalized free abortions untill the 10th week, with 59 percent of the votes. The catholic church sees this as a big nail in the eye, so i guess 1-0 to the atheists. :D
theicidal maniac
02-14-2007, 04:05 AM
Portugal has know legalized free abortions untill the 10th week, with 59 percent of the votes. The catholic church sees this as a big nail in the eye, so i guess 1-0 to the atheists. :D
To be honest even I am not comfortable with the 21 week limit in America. I think that is just way too long. For one thing the fetus looks really human at 21 weeks (several weeks BEFORE that actually), and even though I certainly wouldn't say that this 21 week old fetus is worth the same as an established adult, I DO think there is a psychological effect when you end something that looks THAT human, and it wouldn't make ME feel to great. Again, that's opinion. Also, there is NO WAY that it should take anyone THAT long to decide if they want an abortion or not. I mean, if you aren't ready for a baby, you should know right away. I think the reason they do that is because they know that religious people will be able to scare you away from the abortion clinic for a little while, so they are giving you time to come to your senses, but still...21 weeks I think is a little late for comfort for me.
P.S. Did anybody here know that the Christian Coalition and a score other christian organizations are lobbying to get CONTRACEPTION (that's birth control, AJK) made ILLEGAL AGAIN?!!? That's right. The Chrisitian coalition and about 20 other Christian interest groups are lobbying to make ALL birth control illegal. All you people who have been like, "hey Theicidal, don't attack the religious people, we may not agree with the Christians, but they don't mess with us so we won't mess with them..." WELL WAKE UP!! They won't stop until everyone is either Christian or is forced to live under Christian rule....it has happened before....it was called the Dark Ages, people, don't forget that.
something
02-14-2007, 05:44 AM
To be honest even I am not comfortable with the 21 week limit in America. I think that is just way too long. For one thing the fetus looks really human at 21 weeks (several weeks BEFORE that actually), and even though I certainly wouldn't say that this 21 week old fetus is worth the same as an established adult, I DO think there is a psychological effect when you end something that looks THAT human, and it wouldn't make ME feel to great. Again, that's opinion. Also, there is NO WAY that it should take anyone THAT long to decide if they want an abortion or not. I mean, if you aren't ready for a baby, you should know right away. I think the reason they do that is because they know that religious people will be able to scare you away from the abortion clinic for a little while, so they are giving you time to come to your senses, but still...21 weeks I think is a little late for comfort for me.
P.S. Did anybody here know that the Christian Coalition and a score other christian organizations are lobbying to get CONTRACEPTION (that's birth control, AJK) made ILLEGAL AGAIN?!!? That's right. The Chrisitian coalition and about 20 other Christian interest groups are lobbying to make ALL birth control illegal. All you people who have been like, "hey Theicidal, don't attack the religious people, we may not agree with the Christians, but they don't mess with us so we won't mess with them..." WELL WAKE UP!! They won't stop until everyone is either Christian or is forced to live under Christian rule....it has happened before....it was called the Dark Ages, people, don't forget that.
If there's anything that's a problem here so is it to many people. The christian rules about never have sex with condome, but only if you're married, was well adapted during dark ages to prevent AIDS and Herpies, and to keep humans living, by making them get many children because many of them would almost certainly die. But today is the problem opposite. In the rich world, have almost any baby a chance to survive, and in the poor world does the parent not afford to have so many babies, so theese rules was addapted after their time and should change. But the pope, priests, and thoose groups you're talking about think that the bibles rules are the single ones that will last for ever. Nothing lasts forever, and it's stupid to belive that.
And that 21 weeks limit you're talking about, in rare cases has a baby been able to survive a very early birth, and I think it was in the 21-24th week, so I agree with you there.
General Septem
02-14-2007, 07:38 AM
To be honest even I am not comfortable with the 21 week limit in America. I think that is just way too long. For one thing the fetus looks really human at 21 weeks (several weeks BEFORE that actually), and even though I certainly wouldn't say that this 21 week old fetus is worth the same as an established adult, I DO think there is a psychological effect when you end something that looks THAT human, and it wouldn't make ME feel to great.
So killing the Elephant Man would not be wrong because he doesn't look human (to some)?
something
02-14-2007, 07:45 AM
So killing the Elephant Man would not be wrong because he doesn't look human (to some)?
The point is that after 21 weeks is it a human.
General Septem
02-14-2007, 07:52 AM
The point is that after 21 weeks is it a human.
His only rationale for that was because it looks human.
something
02-14-2007, 07:56 AM
His only rationale for that was because it looks human.
Actually, a baby that is taken out from the womb after 21 weeks, have a possibility to durvive.
General Septem
02-14-2007, 08:09 AM
Actually, a baby that is taken out from the womb after 21 weeks, have a possibility to durvive.
That's not what he said, he said it's because it looks human.
something
02-14-2007, 08:16 AM
That's not what he said, he said it's because it looks human.
Yeah, HE did, but not I. I say it because after 21 weeks so IS it a human.
Portugal has know legalized free abortions untill the 10th week, with 59 percent of the votes. The catholic church sees this as a big nail in the eye, so i guess 1-0 to the atheists. :D
You may be winning now, but know this: In the end, good triumphs over evil.
something
02-14-2007, 11:43 AM
You may be winning now, but know this: In the end, good triumphs over evil.
And who says abortions are evil?
God says they are evil, so they are. Abortion= murder, which is evil and needs to stop.
something
02-14-2007, 11:49 AM
God says they are evil, so they are. Abortion= murder, which is evil and needs to stop.
Oyeah? Ever actually heard a deep voice come down from heaven saying "ABORTION IS EVIL! IT NEEDS TO STOP!" :D
No but the 10 commandments say: Thou shalt not murder. Abortion is precisely that.
Oyeah? Ever actually heard a deep voice come down from heaven saying
"ABORTION IS EVIL! IT NEEDS TO STOP!"
:D
Incase anybody missed that quote. :)
God Bless..
something
02-14-2007, 12:34 PM
No but the 10 commandments say: Thou shalt not murder. Abortion is precisely that.
And how do you know that? It's nothing but your personalidea of what it is.
General Septem
02-14-2007, 12:51 PM
Well let's look at the facts, namely, what is abortion? It's the killing of an innocent human being. Seems pretty obvious to me.
Ape-Shit
02-14-2007, 01:13 PM
No but the 10 commandments say: Thou shalt not murder. Abortion is precisely that.
It is not murder and the Catholic Priest say that they never molested any little boys either.
Ape-Shit
02-14-2007, 01:15 PM
Well let's look at the facts, namely, what is abortion? It's the killing of an innocent human being. Seems pretty obvious to me.
You need glasses, besides abortion is a thing of the past. Nowadays all you have to do is take a pill. Go eat some chicken.
Ape-Shit
02-14-2007, 01:18 PM
God says they are evil, so they are. Abortion= murder, which is evil and needs to stop.
I never heard God (Who ever he/she/it is) say anything. How 'bout have him give me a call so we can get some things straightened out.
I never heard God (Who ever he/she/it is) say anything. How 'bout have him give me a call so we can get some things straightened out.
You have to ask him to give you a call yourself. That's the deal with God.
Cheers, God Bless. :)
Ape-Shit
02-14-2007, 01:26 PM
[QUOTE=ICU;21341]You have to ask him to give you a call yourself. That's the deal with God. [QUOTE].
Ok, I will............, Calling all Gods, Calling all Gods.....?
Must not he home.....No answer.
[QUOTE=ICU;21341]You have to ask him to give you a call yourself. That's the deal with God. [QUOTE].
Ok, I will............, Calling all Gods, Calling all Gods.....?
Must not he home.....No answer.
You're congesting the airwaves brother!! hehehehe
Call only one God! and leave a message why you're calling, I'm sure he will call you back. :)
Ape-Shit
02-14-2007, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE=Ape-Shit;21343][QUOTE=ICU;21341]You have to ask him to give you a call yourself. That's the deal with God.
You're congesting the airwaves brother!! hehehehe
Call only one God! and leave a message why you're calling, I'm sure he will call you back. :)
That's just the problem...., there are way too many Gods and no one knows which is which, but all are figments of the imagination. So with that being stated, tried and proven....go suck an egg.
[QUOTE=ICU;21344][QUOTE=Ape-Shit;21343]
That's just the problem...., there are way too many Gods and no one knows which is which, but all are figments of the imagination. So with that being stated, tried and proven....go suck an egg.
There is only one true God, the rest are just wannabe's . hehehe And out of curiosity, how does one suck an egg?? hehehehehehe
Peace.. :)
something
02-14-2007, 01:50 PM
[QUOTE=Ape-Shit;21346][QUOTE=ICU;21344]
There is only one true God, the rest are just wannabe's . hehehe And out of curiosity, how does one suck an egg?? hehehehehehe
Peace.. :)
I suck eggs. No seriusly, I don't, but it is something that I would like to see on television.
who897
02-14-2007, 08:43 PM
I have yet to hear in yall's books that "abortion" is wrong.
If they are only wanna be gods, then why hasn't your god smote them or what ever it does to things that go against it?
Again abortion would fall under murder which is wrong.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 08:49 PM
Again abortion would fall under murder which is wrong.
No, abortion comes under abortion, which is up to the moral view of a person upon it.
Regardless of what the world says, it has and always will be murder.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 08:58 PM
Regardless of what the world says, it has and always will be murder.
No, actually abortion was quite acceptable in the Ancient world. In fact, early nomadic tribes often used to kill newborns.
The definition "murder" as in the killing of another person, has only relatively recently been expanded to include abortion
Again regardless of what the world says. Just because you may think it's right, doesn't make it so.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:01 PM
Again regardless of what the world says. Just because you may think it's right, doesn't make it so.
That would be true if there was an objective morality, which there isnt. Morality is entirely subjective.
No it isn't. There is right and there is wrong, there is no middle ground. You're on either on one side or the other.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:04 PM
No it isn't. There is right and there is wrong, there is no middle ground. You're on either on one side or the other.
I still cannot believe any sane college would admit a total idiot like you. Take a psych class; they will confirm what I have said. Morality is subjective.
Additionally, your black and white view of morals is untrue.
No it is not subjective. That's just what the world wants you to think.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:09 PM
No it is not subjective. That's just what the world wants you to think.
Say two people are left in nature, but isolated from each other and society. One is dropped off in a good, peaceful place and the other in a violent, bad place. The morals of those two people would be different.
Unless you deny psychology, then you cannot state objective morality as fact.
Not really, there is still right and wrong acts regardless of where you are or who you are. If someone were to murder someone because they think it's ok to do it, does that make it right then? Of course it doesn't.
Furthermore, I can and I am.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:25 PM
Not really, there is still right and wrong acts regardless of where you are or who you are. If someone were to murder someone because they think it's ok to do it, does that make it right then? Of course it doesn't.
Furthermore, I can and I am.
If everyone on earth believed murder was ok, then it would be right. Subjective.
General Septem
02-14-2007, 09:27 PM
If everyone on earth believed murder was ok, then it would be right. Subjective.
Not necessarily. It would make the world a less desirable place to live in, which is why it's wrong. The Iraqi government believed it was acceptable to rape and murder their citizens. That didn't make them right.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:32 PM
Not necessarily. It would make the world a less desirable place to live in, which is why it's wrong.
Its not wrong, its just worse. Its unethical, but not necessarily immoral. Do you get what I am saying?
General Septem
02-14-2007, 09:34 PM
Its not wrong, its just worse. Its unethical, but not necessarily immoral. Do you get what I am saying?
You mean it's kind of wrong but kind of isn't?
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:35 PM
You mean it's kind of wrong but kind of isn't?
No, like, something may be "better" for a person, but that doesnt make it "right".
I don't see how you can justify murder, it can't be wrong yet ok at the same time.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:38 PM
I don't see how you can justify murder, it can't be wrong yet ok at the same time.
It can be "right" but it is "worse". Its a case of ethics vs morals.
General Septem
02-14-2007, 09:47 PM
It can be "right" but it is "worse". Its a case of ethics vs morals.
"Worse" than what?
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:50 PM
"Worse" than what?
Than an ideal state of human existence.
Well now in the case of murder, isn't living a hell of a lot better then dying?
General Septem
02-14-2007, 09:52 PM
Than an ideal state of human existence.
That's why it's wrong. It degrades our state of existence.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:53 PM
That's why it's wrong. It degrades our state of existence.
No its not "wrong", since "wrong" is a moral term and that is subjective, but its "worse". Get what im saying?
No there is a difference between right and wrong. Morality is not subjective, even if many people think that is the case. It's that belief that has put us in this chaotic state that we now live in.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 09:55 PM
No there is a difference between right and wrong. Morality is not subjective, even if many people think that is the case. It's that belief that has put us in this chaotic state that we now live in.
Explain then why christian morality differs from the moralities of religions that preceded it.
Probably because they had a warped state of what morality is, as a lot of us do now seemingly.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Probably because they had a warped state of what morality is, as a lot of us do now seemingly.
Even though they preceded christianity?
General Septem
02-14-2007, 10:05 PM
No its not "wrong", since "wrong" is a moral term and that is subjective, but its "worse". Get what im saying?
Why should something that is bad for the state of humanity not be wrong?
Even though they preceded christianity?
What religions are you talking about may I ask?
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 10:13 PM
What religions are you talking about may I ask?
Quite a few. The native american, african, pagan and eastern religions.
In that case then my point would still stand. The Bible already existed at the time those religions existed I do believe, so whether they knew it or not there was a difference between right and wrong.
Though I assume if they had no knowledge of these differences, God would have be forgiving of them once they passed from this life, and wouldn't put them in Hell. Don't know for sure of course, as some of it might depend on how they acted in this life also.
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 10:34 PM
In that case then my point would still stand. The Bible already existed at the time those religions existed I do believe, so whether they knew it or not there was a difference between right and wrong.
Though I assume if they had no knowledge of these differences, God would have be forgiving of them once they passed from this life, and wouldn't put them in Hell. Don't know for sure of course, as some of it might depend on how they acted in this life also.
Many religions existed PRIOR to the bible, even the old testament. Judaism is only about 5000 years old. Hundreds of faiths preceded it.
General Septem
02-14-2007, 10:35 PM
Many religions existed PRIOR to the bible, even the old testament. Judaism is only about 5000 years old. Hundreds of faiths preceded it.
What is your point?
Ausinus
02-14-2007, 10:39 PM
What is your point?
Ajk believes otherwise.
who897
02-15-2007, 12:23 AM
Ajk believes otherwise.
And the moral majority agrees that AJK is not the brightest crayon in the box, or the sharpest knife in the drawer, or a few fries short of a happy meal, or just plain idiotic. So, no matter how much sense you make, no matter how many big words (you must dumb it down for him) his curtain are down and no one is home.
something
02-15-2007, 01:27 AM
I started this thread to discuss the legalizing of abortions in portugal, and when it turned out that they allow it, did the meaning with dissappear. But this thread did just have to fuck away over 20 pages and now I have absolutely no clue about what you're talking about. Thais proves that you always change subject in the threads.
theicidal maniac
02-15-2007, 11:57 AM
In that case then my point would still stand. The Bible already existed at the time those religions existed I do believe, so whether they knew it or not there was a difference between right and wrong.
Though I assume if they had no knowledge of these differences, God would have be forgiving of them once they passed from this life, and wouldn't put them in Hell. Don't know for sure of course, as some of it might depend on how they acted in this life also.
There are many tribes in outh America, Africa and the South Pacific who have either never heard or seen of the Bible, or for whom there is no translation in their native language. There are estimated to be over 6,000 languages on Earth at any given time...I'd be willing to guess that the bible has been translated into less than a quarter of them, and in fact in MOST of the world there is absolutely nothing special at all about the Bible because they have better books like the I Ching
There is no better book then the Bible.
Ausinus
02-15-2007, 04:46 PM
There is no better book then the Bible.
I would say there are a plethora of books better than the Bible. John Locke's Treatises for instance.
theicidal maniac
02-15-2007, 06:16 PM
There is no better book then the Bible.
THAT's your reply???? I love how you refuse to actually take on a topic that you disagree with and instead just resort to "I don't care about your "FACTS" and "REALITY" cuz anything I say about God is truth no matter how false it is!"
Brilliant!
who897
02-15-2007, 08:35 PM
There is no better book then the Bible.
Green Eggs and Ham is a better book then the bible. It makes a shit ton more sense then your bible.
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