common sense on abortion

[hitekredneck]

now think about this, my fellow bullshit artists...i don't like abortion, think it's killing untold child prodigies, possible genius', and maybe even somebody to cure cancer or some other disease...i think women that utilize abortion for birth control are nothing more than murderesses...that being said, i also see the need for it in certain cases...incest is one, rape is another, and if the mothers' life should be endangered...i also understand that if we change the abortion laws, we'll end up with tons more deaths due to back-alley and home abortions...i would much rather keep our women healthy and safe than have a scared teen go to some decrepid wharehouse to get d & c'd by a fucking coat hanger...youain't ever gonna change women wanting/needing to abort for any given reason, so why not choose to save the life you can rather than beat your head against a brick wall for the life that will die anyway?
and, btw, for all of you reading this, life begins at conception from the time the egg gets fertilized...

[Ausinus]

Read Practical Ethsic by Peter Singer and he will elaborate on why abortion is ethical. :)

[hitekredneck]

Read Practical Ethsic by Peter Singer and he will elaborate on why abortion is ethical. :)

yeah,i understand the "ethical" crowd...the same people that think disabled people are a drain on society and should be put todeath...or believe that euthanasia should run rampant for anybody that can't give back to society regardles of what they gave before :cool:

[Ausinus]

yeah,i understand the "ethical" crowd...the same people that think disabled people are a drain on society and should be put todeath...or believe that euthanasia should run rampant for anybody that can't give back to society regardles of what they gave before :cool:

He actually thinks that eugenics is unethical. :D

[hitekredneck]

He actually thinks that eugenics is unethical. :D

ok...let me state that i HAVE read up on so-called ethics today, but not singer...what i have read kindaturned me off of it...i prefer morality to ethics, tho they can intersect:)

[Ausinus]

ok...let me state that i HAVE read up on so-called ethics today, but not singer...what i have read kindaturned me off of it...i prefer morality to ethics, tho they can intersect:)

Yeah, they can. Practical Ethics is actually a very good piece of literature - he presents a very interesting argument as to why eating animals is unethical :D

[hitekredneck]

Yeah, they can. Practical Ethics is actually a very good piece of literature - he presents a very interesting argument as to why eating animals is unethical :D

ok, ausie...don't go there...i'm a firm believer in the medicinal properties of red meat:D

[Ausinus]

ok, ausie...don't go there...i'm a firm believer in the medicinal properties of red meat:D

Yeah I disagree with vegetarianism on scientific grounds. :D

[hitekredneck]

Yeah I disagree with vegetarianism on scientific grounds. :D

me goin without beef is like a crackwhore quittin cold turkey:D

[beelzebub]

now think about this, my fellow bullshit artists...i don't like abortion, think it's killing untold child prodigies, possible genius', and maybe even somebody to cure cancer or some other disease...i think women that utilize abortion for birth control are nothing more than murderesses...that being said, i also see the need for it in certain cases...incest is one, rape is another, and if the mothers' life should be endangered...i also understand that if we change the abortion laws, we'll end up with tons more deaths due to back-alley and home abortions...i would much rather keep our women healthy and safe than have a scared teen go to some decrepid wharehouse to get d & c'd by a fucking coat hanger...youain't ever gonna change women wanting/needing to abort for any given reason, so why not choose to save the life you can rather than beat your head against a brick wall for the life that will die anyway?
and, btw, for all of you reading this, life begins at conception from the time the egg gets fertilized...

I agree with most of what you have said.... however.... I have a problem telling another person what they are allowed to do with their body. In this case you would force a woman to go to term against her will. Thats where I draw the line.

Let us convince people not to abort but lets not force them no to..... and then get the back-alley (or posh hospital for the RICH) DNC's

[General Septem]

Let us convince people not to abort but lets not force them no to..... and then get the back-alley (or posh hospital for the RICH) DNC's

I agree with this, but only because I think it would be a hell of a lot more effective than just making it illegal and expecting everyone to obey the law. Not because women are justified to do whatever they want with their bodies.

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Making aborts illegal will probably never actually work. In Poland they actually make illegal aborts that sometimes are dangerous enough to kill the women, but not effective enough to kill the baby.

So a legal abortion is in many cases better than illegal ones. And the illegal ones are oftenly more expensive than the legal ones.

[hitekredneck]

Making aborts illegal will probably never actually work. In Poland they actually make illegal aborts that sometimes are dangerous enough to kill the women, but not effective enough to kill the baby.

So a legal abortion is in many cases better than illegal ones. And the illegal ones are oftenly more expensive than the legal ones.

see, what i've been trying to say is that even tho i personally don't believe in abortion, it ain't goin anywhere...if we succeed in overturning roe vs wade, we end up putting abortions back into back alleys being done with coat hangers...

[General Septem]

see, what i've been trying to say is that even tho i personally don't believe in abortion, it ain't goin anywhere...if we succeed in overturning roe vs wade, we end up putting abortions back into back alleys being done with coat hangers...

We'd be better off with Dennis Kucinich who says he won't make abortion illegal but will work towards reducing the number of abortions performed in the USA, than with some tyrant who says he'll make abortion illegal, not do shit about it anyway, and make people hate the pro-life movement even more (e.g., George W. Bush).

[hitekredneck]

We'd be better off with Dennis Kucinich who says he won't make abortion illegal but will work towards reducing the number of abortions performed in the USA, than with some tyrant who says he'll make abortion illegal, not do shit about it anyway, and make people hate the pro-life movement even more (e.g., George W. Bush).

kucinich isn't any better than anybody else i've seeen except hillary...man, i don't even want her NEAR that "button"!!:eek:

[theicidal maniac]

see, what i've been trying to say is that even tho i personally don't believe in abortion, it ain't goin anywhere...if we succeed in overturning roe vs wade, we end up putting abortions back into back alleys being done with coat hangers...

Don't speak so soon...there is a movement right now being led by the X-ian coalition, the American Life League, the National Pro-Life Action Center, Focus on the Family, the Christian Dental Association (yes you read that correctly)...ETC...ETC in which they are trying to have not only Roe v. Wade overturned, but also they are trying to have Griswold v. Connecticut reversed. What's Griswold v. Connecticut?? It's the law that made CONTRACEPTION legal in 1965. THAT'S RIGHT. They want to make BIRTH CONTROL ILLEGAL.

These people sound just like AJK, saying that birth control is responsible for the "murder-through-prevention of 3,000 lives a day..." Where those figures came from I am not certain. Technically, NORMAL sex releases billions of sperm and only ONE typically makes it to the egg, so EVERY act of sex is an act of genocide by those standards. Soon they will illegalize SEX and then we'll all go extinct. Maybe the world will be better off.

[Ausinus]

Don't speak so soon...there is a movement right now being led by the X-ian coalition, the American Life League, the National Pro-Life Action Center, Focus on the Family, the Christian Dental Association (yes you read that correctly)...ETC...ETC in which they are trying to have not only Roe v. Wade overturned, but also they are trying to have Griswold v. Connecticut reversed. What's Griswold v. Connecticut?? It's the law that made CONTRACEPTION legal in 1965. THAT'S RIGHT. They want to make BIRTH CONTROL ILLEGAL.

These people sound just like AJK, saying that birth control is responsible for the "murder-through-prevention of 3,000 lives a day..." Where those figures came from I am not certain. Technically, NORMAL sex releases billions of sperm and only ONE typically makes it to the egg, so EVERY act of sex is an act of genocide. Soon they will illegalize SEX and then we'll all go extinct. Maybe the world will be better off.

I wouldnt worry. There is no easy way to have Roe vs Wade overturned. ^_^ Anyway in order to make Griswold v. Connecticut overturned you would have to have Lawrence v. Texas overturned too (the one that struck down the illegalisation of homosexuality in texas).

[theicidal maniac]

I wouldnt worry. There is no easy way to have Roe vs Wade overturned. ^_^ Anyway in order to make Griswold v. Connecticut overturned you would have to have Lawrence v. Texas overturned too (the one that struck down the illegalisation of homosexuality in texas).

Do you have any doubt that Lawrence v. Texas would be next in their crosshairs. Look what these kind of groups have been doing with "creation science." They've been taking it to court for decades, and they get defeated, they change the name to "intelligent design" and try again. What happens when they find a sympathetic court? I mean, ok realistically, Intelligent design and creationism have absolutely nothing to go on, so they can't win in court, but still, you see where my paranoia is coming from?

[Ausinus]

Do you have any doubt that Lawrence v. Texas would be next in their crosshairs. Look what these kind of groups have been doing with "creation science." They've been taking it to court for decades, and they get defeated, they change the name to "intelligent design" and try again. What happens when they find a sympathetic court? I mean, ok realistically, Intelligent design and creationism have absolutely nothing to go on, so they can't win in court, but still, you see where my paranoia is coming from?

We can thank the fact that people in the judiciary are somewhat more ethical in their rulings (usually) ^_^

I doubt they will have any success at striking down Lawrence v. Texas. At least not while the ACLU is still around. :D

Why can't people ever focus on the ridiculous rulings like Plessy v. Ferguson and Andersen v. King County?

[theicidal maniac]

We can thank the fact that people in the judiciary are somewhat more ethical in their rulings (usually) ^_^

I doubt they will have any success at striking down Lawrence v. Texas. At least not while the ACLU is still around. :D

Why can't people ever focus on the ridiculous rulings like Plessy v. Ferguson and Andersen v. King County?

Probably because, like me, they don't know what the hell those are. :D

[Ausinus]

Probably because, like me, they don't know what the hell those are. :D

Plessy v Ferguson was the case that ruled the "seperate but equal" segregation doctrine was constitutional (which is bullshit), and Andersen v. King County ruled that the state has an interest in marriage due to reproduction (basically saying no gay marriage)(which is ALSO bullshit).

[WhiteRaven]

banning slavery was unconstitutional in the first place, but slavery was outdated, in ancient times it was often necessary when huge tasks needed to be done, before the invention of engines. as for the "seperate but equal" law, it could hardly be considered "equal". I do have to say that if they wanted freedom, they should have fought for it, and some of them did, but most didn't bother, foolish really.

[conspiracy]

Read Practical Ethsic by Peter Singer and he will elaborate on why abortion is ethical. :)

Link? Any works known? I'll read it.

[hitekredneck]

ok...had to resurect this fucker.....common sense tells me that if ya don't want a kid, you shouldn't be fuckin....birth control isn't 100%, etc etc....if you aren't ready for the responsibility, then don't perform the act...simple enough?...or does it make too much sense?

[something]

ok...had to resurect this fucker.....common sense tells me that if ya don't want a kid, you shouldn't be fuckin....birth control isn't 100%, etc etc....if you aren't ready for the responsibility, then don't perform the act...simple enough?...or does it make too much sense?

You sound like ajk...

[hitekredneck]

You sound like ajk...

what...are you telling me that this makes no sense?...look, even when i was a kid i knew that if i got a woman pregnant i would have to take responsibility for my actions....i'm not saying to make abortions illegal, i'm saying to use common sense....if you can't handle being a parent, if you absolutely can't afford to have kids then you shouldn't be having sex...even birth control fails....but if you have to have sex, then you need to be able to handle the consequences...

[something]

what...are you telling me that this makes no sense?...look, even when i was a kid i knew that if i got a woman pregnant i would have to take responsibility for my actions....i'm not saying to make abortions illegal, i'm saying to use common sense....if you can't handle being a parent, if you absolutely can't afford to have kids then you shouldn't be having sex...even birth control fails....but if you have to have sex, then you need to be able to handle the consequences...

I didn't say it makes any sense. Just that ajk said the same thing.

How ever It DO make sense, but if the failing rate is like 1% or 2%, does it make it to a serious danger to have sex?

[General Septem]

I didn't say it makes any sense. Just that ajk said the same thing.

How ever It DO make sense, but if the failing rate is like 1% or 2%, does it make it to a serious danger to have sex?

It's only up to you if you can accept that risk.

[hitekredneck]

It's only up to you if you can accept that risk.

give that man a cigar!!!!:D
nice to know that some people actually get it...if you can't accept the risk, then don't do it...then abortion really isn't an issue

[something]

give that man a cigar!!!!:D
nice to know that some people actually get it...if you can't accept the risk, then don't do it...then abortion really isn't an issue

Uhm, I get the point, but I don't think it's good enough.

[hitekredneck]

Uhm, I get the point, but I don't think it's good enough.

why not...it actually addresses the issue....like i've said before...i don't say abortion should be illegal, just that it should be illegal to use it as birth control...

[something]

why not...it actually addresses the issue....like i've said before...i don't say abortion should be illegal, just that it should be illegal to use it as birth control...

Allright then. But since the failing rate on condoms and other birth control is abou 2%, it's not a very good argument against sex.

[hitekredneck]

Allright then. But since the failing rate on condoms and other birth control is abou 2%, it's not a very good argument against sex.

but see, i'm not saying to not have sex, either...what i'm saying, is to assess the risks and consequences, and to accept responsibility for your choice...

[MrJim]

but see, i'm not saying to not have sex, either...what i'm saying, is to assess the risks and consequences, and to accept responsibility for your choice...

You mean, think for OURSELVES? NO WAY... such harsh words to adhere to around here! ;)

[something]

but see, i'm not saying to not have sex, either...what i'm saying, is to assess the risks and consequences, and to accept responsibility for your choice...

OKAY, I get it.