.Abortion and Moral decay in the U.S.A..

[therocketr]

Abortion is a moral wrong. People in the United States have all but abandon God. We hear about the Holocause during World War Two over sixty years go,
many are horrified, yet they pay no attention to the American Holocaust practiced by numerous Dr. Deaths, M.D.

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Why do you believe that your interpretation of what is "moral" is just? What if a woman is raped, do you insist
that she carry the child to term? How about incest? Why do you believe your "opinions" outweigh the woman's? What if the
woman is told by her doctor, that if she carries the child to term, she will sacrifice her life. Do you still insist that she not have
an abortion and deliver the child who will be born motherless, because there is a rare conflict that will cost her life and her
child's mother? Who ordained you the moral spokesperson for all humankind. I did not vote for you, and judging by you ego
I never could. What say you? I'm Mike.

[Rec]

Perhaps if Ahhha is a male also, both of you have no say in the matter! As neither one of you has a womb, can carry a child or even have any
idea of what pregnancy is. I always find it amusing that one on one hand can make a judgement, and then another one that disagrees with the
opinion, also takes the judgement seat themselves in judgement.

The question is who can make a decision, weigh all the might happens and then say that killing a baby is justified??????? The courts have spoken,

they have given the right of decision to the woman, to abort or not abort, it is her decision, her consequences in the end.

This does not say it is moral right, it says that it is legally right, and the knot in the whole thing, is whether one can actually carry it out for a medical
reason, or just to get rid of the problem......now the reasons for,,,,is where the morality comes in. NOt rights or anything else.
If one is morally inclined not to they will not do so, if one feels no moral wrong they will do so......In the end, not Mike, Aaahhh or myself will be
responsible for the act....just the mother period. She will have to live with it in whatever manner she handles it, with guilt or no guilt and the
potential new human being will no longer be alive.

Viable has nothing to do with it, there are many of our parents that we care for who are
not even here mentally, and do not know anything , there are not viable either,,,,should we kill them also???? Because we do not want the
responsibility of caring for them?????? Who is next? What group will be deemed unfit and by whom???? Will it be a legal move that supercedes
a moral one and gives us an easy way out???? We are happy and content to have a right, now that the door is opened- who will close it, or what
catagory of humans will be next. This is far more than just a womans rights, but then who really cares?? Life is not valuable or is it???

[beelzebub]

Perhaps if Ahhha is a male also, both of you have no say in the matter! As neither one of you has a womb, can carry a child or even have any idea of what pregnancy is. I always find it amusing that one on one hand can make a judgement, and then another one that disagrees with the opinion, also takes the judgement seat themselves in judgement.
The question is who can make a decision, weigh all the might happens and then say that killing a baby is justified??????? The courts have spoken,
they have given the right of decision to the woman, to abort or not abort, it is her decision, her consequences in the end.

This does not say it is moral right, it says that it is legally right, and the knot in the whole thing, is whether one can actually carry it out for a medical reason, or just to get rid of the problem......now the reasons for,,,,is where the morality comes in. NOt rights or anything else.
If one is morally inclined not to they will not do so, if one feels no moral wrong they will do so......In the end, not Mike, Aaahhh or myself will be responsible for the act....just the mother period. She will have to live with it in whatever manner she handles it, with guilt or no guilt and the potential new human being will no longer be alive.

I approve of this part of the post as it aligns with my sentiments on the issue exactly.

Viable has nothing to do with it, there are many of our parents that we care for who are not even here mentally, and do not know anything , there are not viable either,,,,should we kill them also???? Because we do not want the responsibility of caring for them?????? Who is next? What group will be deemed unfit and by whom???? Will it be a legal move that supercedes a moral one and gives us an easy way out???? We are happy and content to have a right, now that the door is opened- who will close it, or what catagory of humans will be next. This is far more than just a womans rights, but then who really cares?? Life is not valuable or is it???

Here we get into the gray.....

[beelzebub]

Casting this as a simple "rights" issue is not valid in my opinion. The baby is technically not "her own body" as you put it. It is reliant on the mother for survival, but it has it's own distinct DNA, blood, etc.

Then remove the fetus and let it survive on its own....

What you want is to FORCE a woman to carry it to term which I am against and is VALID in my opinion and MUCH MORE than just "simple rights".

Stop parsing words.

So was is morally wrong for Hitler to kill Jewish people? Can you say it is morally acceptable to kill a human being inside the womb, or even birth canal, but as soon as the baby moves a few inches from inside the birth canal to outside, then it is morally wrong to kill it? So is it OK for us to kill anyone that relies on us for their survival if we perceive them as a burden?

You are OFF TOPIC... please !!!!

[Rec]

I approve of this part of the post as it aligns with my sentiments on the issue exactly.



Here we get into the gray.....

Not really, if a legal right is perceived as a individual right, and the court decides over life and death as a legality, who could be the next group to perish?
What would be the standard or standards of acknowledging whether humans were viable, of worth??? It is a logical question.

[cybercash]

Just let me put it to like this.
The decissions you make are really only between
you and God.
I hope you make the right ones. As well as, should YOU.

[Rise Up]

Do what you will but don't tell me what to believe. This is an issue that not a single person can be convinced to change their stance on. Too controversial.

[Carrot]

The GOVERNMENT FORCING a woman to do something AGAINST her FREE WILL.

Or

PROTECTING the INNOCENT, and UNBORN who are only there DUE to the woman's own DESCISIONS and FREE WILL who can then FREELY CHOOSE to give away the child, and NOTHING DIES.

One thing is for sure, it's shaeds of grey, but it's not land ownership or copyright law, it's issues of life and death. It should definately be at least resrticted more than it is now.

Afterall, the "right to free speech" exists, but you can't stand in the middle of the street and issue death threats etc.

[Rec]

Excellent posts and points for consideration Carrot!

[freedom]

abortion is all about the crop! And the crop is you! Every baby that is killed is one less cog int the machine we call capitalism! they need more babies to grow up to be workers getting paid ten times less than the value they create in the workforce! read my reply to the fn gays post and maybe you will understand.... WE HAVE ALL BEEN CHEATED AND BRAINWASHED SINCE BIRTH OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!!


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